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Do we hacve fallen sin natures or not now?
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Sinners die because the wages of sin is death. Does that answer your question? Jesus said that only God is good.
So you would be saying that we are born with sin natures then, correct?
Yes, but God does not hold it against us until we reach the age of reason.
Are we not though already under the judgment of condemnation until saved by God due to us all being born in likeness of Adam?
We are from Adam and Eve. Adam was from the dust and Eve was from a rib from the side of Adam. Jesus was from a virgin and did not have an earthly father although Joseph was a step-father to Jesus. Adam was not under condemnation until he sinned at which time he was expelled from the Garden of Eden along with Eve. Jesus inherited the physical nature of the Virgin Mary, who was a descendant of King David so that Jesus is a true Son of David.
And His humanity would have been the same as first Adam ay His creation, correct?
evenifigoalone
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Definitely have sin nature, else Jesus' death would not have been necessary.
I think so because Scripture says that Jesus is the last Adam. Jesus is begotten not made--Adam was made from the dust. Adam sinned and so he died and returned to the dust. Jesus is like Adam before Adam sinned. Scripture teaches that Jesus still has a physical body but He is now glorified with feet like brass, etc., right?
There is no "age of reason" mentioned or implied in the Bible.
Oh, so you are dumping babies out onto hell?
I'm saying God never teaches that people are automatically saved until some unspecified "age of reason." You are free to provide scripture and prove me wrong.
canadyjd
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The only place in scripture that supports the idea that babies that die go to heaven is the case of David’s first child with Bathsheba.
After the baby dies, David takes comfort in his belief he will see the baby again. David expected the baby to be in heaven.
peace to you
So babies all go to hell. If God never says it, then you are right, aren't you?
Isaiah 7:15 (KJV) Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
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I agree. That passage provides a hope for all aborted children and infants who die.
We have to place them in the hand of God and accept that the Creator makes his decision as He wills.
That being said, we do the same with all humanity at any age, if we accept the teaching that God elects who is saved and who is not saved.
Is Isaiah 7:15 your verse for arguing the "age of reason" theory?
If you need to do some research, please do so. I would like to know the verses you might use to support the theory.
Oh, I already told you that you have sentenced all babies to hell.
I never did what you claim.
Instead, I stated that the "age of reason" is not taught in the Bible. I then asked you to share scripture that supports your assertion.
Rather than provide scripture, you have made an unsubstantiated claim about what I actually said.
Second, if you actually read my next statement you would see that I believe God elects people unto salvation by His choice. God may very well elect these young ones, showing the same grace to them that he shows to older sinners. However, if you don't believe that God elects unto salvation it stands to reason you would make up an "age of reason" theory because you believe humans choose their own destiny, not God.