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Do we hacve fallen sin natures or not now?

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MB

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Yeshua1 said:
We are born already condemned and under divine judgment!
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No we are born into a sinful world we are not sinners until we sin. Babies have not sinned in Adam and you can;t find that they are in scripture Paul said;
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. We are all alive with out the Law when we are babies but when we understand the commandments it then counts against us.
MB
 
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MB said:
No we are born into a sinful world we are not sinners until we sin. Babies have not sinned in Adam and you can;t find that they are in scripture Paul said;
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. We are all alive with out the Law when we are babies but when we understand the commandments it then counts against us.
MB
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We are either in Adam, spiritual dead and under judgment, or spiritually alive in Christ! Babies are still sinners in sight of God, as are born with sin natures bent away from god!
 
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AustinC

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MB said:
No we are born into a sinful world we are not sinners until we sin. Babies have not sinned in Adam and you can;t find that they are in scripture Paul said;
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. We are all alive with out the Law when we are babies but when we understand the commandments it then counts against us.
MB
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That is Pelagianism 101.
 
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AustinC

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AustinC said:
That is Pelagianism 101.
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Pelagianism, also called the Pelagian heresy, is the theological position that the original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance.
 
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MB

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AustinC said:
Pelagianism, also called the Pelagian heresy, is the theological position that the original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance.
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I didn't know JW"s were allowed on this board.
MB
 
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Yeshua1

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AustinC said:
Pelagianism, also called the Pelagian heresy, is the theological position that the original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance.
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Also holds that Jesus was born with same nature as us, as they would see us basically good until choosing to become sinners!
 
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MB said:
JW's and SDA are both heritical They both believe that Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan and was a created angel.
MB
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I know JW see Jesus as Michael, thought Sda saw him as Son of God though?
 
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MB

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AustinC said:
You proved it yourself with your own claims. Go back to what I quoted you as saying when I stated "Pelagian 101.
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A man with no proof just making insulting remarks. How very Pharisaical of you..It's not the first time I've been accused of Pelagianism. One point does not make a doctrine. Your just here to Judge like most Pharisee's. It takes no brains at all to agitate. Careful you might trip over your own ego.
MB
 
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