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Featured Do we hacve fallen sin natures or not now?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 29, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    All of us deserve hell, even babies, but the good news is that God grace still sufficient to save all infants!
     
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    No we are born into a sinful world we are not sinners until we sin. Babies have not sinned in Adam and you can;t find that they are in scripture Paul said;
    Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. We are all alive with out the Law when we are babies but when we understand the commandments it then counts against us.
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    We are either in Adam, spiritual dead and under judgment, or spiritually alive in Christ! Babies are still sinners in sight of God, as are born with sin natures bent away from god!
     
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    That is Pelagianism 101.
     
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    Pelagianism, also called the Pelagian heresy, is the theological position that the original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance.
     
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    I didn't know JW"s were allowed on this board.
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    What ever it is it's better than the false doctrine of Calvinism.
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    Are you a JW? What you stated is Pelagian theology, which your church condemned.
     
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    Pelagianism is condemned by your own church.
     
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    the rotten theology of Charles Finney rears its ugly head today in many churches!
     
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    Also holds that Jesus was born with same nature as us, as they would see us basically good until choosing to become sinners!
     
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    their offshoot the Sda are!
     
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    no, as Calvinism is seen as permitted theology, while that theology is seen as being heresy!
     
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    JW's and SDA are both heritical They both believe that Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan and was a created angel.
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    I know JW see Jesus as Michael, thought Sda saw him as Son of God though?
     
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    You sure do know a lot about me now prove it
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    Always been seen as being heresy by the Historical Church
     
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    You proved it yourself with your own claims. Go back to what I quoted you as saying when I stated "Pelagian 101.
     
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    A man with no proof just making insulting remarks. How very Pharisaical of you..It's not the first time I've been accused of Pelagianism. One point does not make a doctrine. Your just here to Judge like most Pharisee's. It takes no brains at all to agitate. Careful you might trip over your own ego.
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