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Does authorized by a king mean authorized by God?
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Jesus Christ saved my soul.
I know enough to know and experience blessing when I read the bible.
If you are so knowledgeable please show me Westcott and Hort's glorifying of the Savior.
W/H are irrelevant to the discussion especially since we are not discussing their translating of the NT. The question remains
What Happened to the KJV Bible Preface?
Yes, the writer here calls me out in this article for calling it a “preface”; however, the fact remains
Yes, the writer here calls me out in this article for calling it a “preface”; however, the fact remains
What Happened to the KJV Bible Preface?
Yes, the writer here calls me out in this article for calling it a “preface”; however, the fact remains
What is it about all these posts?
Show me W &H glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ their Savior.
Are you claiming W & H's work on the New Testament and the bible did not influence the modern English and other languages' translations?
But better, are you reading your bible like it is the word of God, every word?
Do I think I am persuasive enough to change your mind?
No way.
God will still love you whatever you decide.
I have no problem honoring the NASB as the WoG!!
G/P
G/P
What is it about all these posts?
To show the foolishness of KJVO
Show me W &H glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ their Savior.
you do not understand NT Textual Criticism
Are you claiming W & H's work on the New Testament and the bible did not influence the modern English and other languages' translations?
no
But better, are you reading your bible like it is the word of God, every word?
Yes
Do I think I am persuasive enough to change your mind?
No way. You are correct in that
God will still love you whatever you decide.
I have no problem honoring the NASB as the WoG!!
G/P
Really?
Every word?
That's great.
Now get ready for people telling you there are thousands of mistakes in it and try to take your blessing away but you will know they cannot.
"It is NOT the word of God," they will say.
Paul from Antioch
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I've done SOME studying into this very divisive controversy, especially in the more fundamental, independent Baptist ranks. IMHO, I see this controversy more of a divisive factor that does little (if any at all!) to unite our ranks as Bible-believing Baptists. In 2011 (The 400th anniversary of the 1611 publication of the KJV.) there were a flurry of books on either the preservation of God's Word in general, or, to a lesser degree, the KJV itself. The few works on the KJV that I read were not particularly KJVO advocates as such, but did give the average person quite a bit of info on both sides of this issue. With a very few exceptions, all of the books that I read (Some were very much KJVO, while the others weren't.) seemed to conclude that this KJVO served more to divide the independent Baptist ranks than to unite them---and, IMHO, I tend to agree with them. I recall reading one work that was unashamedly pro KJVO that all the writer (who had a PhD attached to his name) merely lashed out at anyone who even dared to think that the 1611 KJV wasn't hand-delivered from the Holy Spirit to the 1611 KJV translators was a heretic! OTHO he merely glossed over the outright mistranslations that the 1611 KJV translators had obviously made (& BTW, there ARE some!). The most sane approach to this very divisive controversy in Baptist ranks I've recently read is a paperback by John Ankerberg & John Weldon that was copyrighted in 1996 by Harvest House Publishers for the John Ankerberg Theological Research Institute titled "The Facts on the King James Only Debate: How Reliable Are Today's Bible Versions?" The writers conclude (& I agree) that this whole debate is really an unecesssary division among the ranks of today's Bible believers; in fact, INHO anyway is a subtle tool of Satan to divert our attention to the REAL goals that we as Bible believers SHOULD have: To preach & proclaim God's Word, "To the uttermost parts of the world (Acts 1:8).What is it about all these posts?
Show me W &H glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ their Savior.
Are you claiming W & H's work on the New Testament and the bible did not influence the modern English and other languages' translations?
But better, are you reading your bible like it is the word of God, every word?
Do I think I am persuasive enough to change your mind?
No way.
God will still love you whatever you decide.
Right let's all agree that no one can claim his "bible" is the word of God complete.
Then we won't be so divisive.
Who cares any way that
All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
Oh, that ONLY applies to the originals.
Yet in Luke 4:16-21 Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah and declared what He read scripture.
That scroll was not the original.
And he came to Nazareth,
where he had been brought up,
as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,
and stood up for to read.
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book,
he found the place where it was written,
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
And he closed the book,
and gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
And he began to say unto them,
This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
So no one has the inspired word of God in their language.
That is a great way to tell people I trust in God and His word. But, um, the word of God, if you are brave enough to call it the word of God,
has errors in the translation.
Not the originals though it's, aaahh, just that we don't have the originals.
And only the originals are inspired.
Here, let me show you this verse in my bible that says only the originals are inspired.
Yeah, those rabble rousers that want to trust God when He says,
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Of course the person that said that had no idea those words would be translated into other languages.
And you know when there are translations there are always a few words that don't get translated correctly.
The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8
I guess they forgot to translate the last line of Isaiah 40:8 where it would say, The word of our God shall stand for ever, only in Hebrew and Greek and not in English or any other language.
Thanks that at least we have some of it in English.
Aren't we all happy now?
Then we won't be so divisive.
Who cares any way that
All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
Oh, that ONLY applies to the originals.
Yet in Luke 4:16-21 Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah and declared what He read scripture.
That scroll was not the original.
And he came to Nazareth,
where he had been brought up,
as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,
and stood up for to read.
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book,
he found the place where it was written,
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
And he closed the book,
and gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
And he began to say unto them,
This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
So no one has the inspired word of God in their language.
That is a great way to tell people I trust in God and His word. But, um, the word of God, if you are brave enough to call it the word of God,
has errors in the translation.
Not the originals though it's, aaahh, just that we don't have the originals.
And only the originals are inspired.
Here, let me show you this verse in my bible that says only the originals are inspired.
Yeah, those rabble rousers that want to trust God when He says,
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Of course the person that said that had no idea those words would be translated into other languages.
And you know when there are translations there are always a few words that don't get translated correctly.
The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8
I guess they forgot to translate the last line of Isaiah 40:8 where it would say, The word of our God shall stand for ever, only in Hebrew and Greek and not in English or any other language.
Thanks that at least we have some of it in English.
Aren't we all happy now?
Which added words would those be?
According to The Strongest Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, the 1873 Cambridge KJV edition by Scrivener has "34, 712 words" that are in italics [added words] (p. x). "The KJV translators used italic type to show English words that were supplied in translation, but did not directly translate a word in the original Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek." (p. x).
Yeah, those rabble rousers that want to trust God when He says,
You fail to demonstrate that you are merely trusting what God says. You keep reading opinions of man into verses that do not teach what you try to assume and imply. You lean on your own understanding (or misunderstanding). You incorrectly take a verse about the giving of the Scriptures by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles and try to apply it to the different process of translating in English in 1611.
You fail to demonstrate that you are merely trusting what God says. You keep reading opinions of man into verses that do not teach what you try to assume and imply. You lean on your own understanding (or misunderstanding). You incorrectly take a verse about the giving of the Scriptures by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles and try to apply it to the different process of translating in English in 1611.
You do the exact same thing you say I do.
Where is Westcott and Hort's praises of Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior?
In their letters right next to the lines that say only the originals are inspired?
I have not stated verses like:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
The word of our God shall stand forever.
Isaiah 40:8
Man shall not live by bread alone but by
every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
only apply to the KJV.
You distort much better than me as a self-claimed "scholar" and are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Still waiting for your quote of a verse that says, "only the originals are inspired."
You have built a "scripturally principled" doctrine without scripture.
Talk about failing.
Did ANY of those passages you quoted refer to the Kjv, or any other translation to come?You do the exact same thing you say I do.
Where is Westcott and Hort's praises of Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior?
In their letters right next to the lines that say only the originals are inspired?
I have not stated verses like:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
The word of our God shall stand forever.
Isaiah 40:8
Man shall not live by bread alone but by
every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
only apply to the KJV.
You distort much better than me as a self-claimed "scholar" and are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Still waiting for your quote of a verse that says, "only the originals are inspired."
You have built a "scripturally principled" doctrine without scripture.
Talk about failing.
Did ANY of those passages you quoted refer to the Kjv, or any other translation to come?
I have not stated only those verses apply only to the KJV.
But they do apply to God saying them.
Don't you believe they are true for today and time coming?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
The word of our God shall stand forever.
Isaiah 40:8
Man shall not live by bread alone but by
every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Paul from Antioch
Active Member
Still at each other's throats I see. Here's an illustration that, IMHO anyway, of my own siblings that seems to apply to this issue: I was the youngest of 4 siblings in my family (2 older sisters & 1 older brother.) Each one of them faced, shall we say, "challenges," as each of them grew into adulthood. HOWEVER, none of them had neither the exact same challenges not did they overcome them in the exact same way(s). Then I showed up. None of my older siblings faced exactly the very same challenges that I did as I grew into adulthood. What worked for me didn't exactly work for any of them. SO, which of these four humans was exactly right, and consequently which of these was exactly wrong? ANSWER: NONE!! As this applies to the translation one chooses for his/her own, may not necessarily work for another person. If we are members of God's Family, IMHO, this entire issue of which English version is the exact literal & infallible God's Word is not the basis upon which we need to classify another's preference in one's choice of which English version as heretical. Don't we have much more urgent things in this sin-cursed world in which we live that ought to bring us in a sense of unity in our collective battle of Satan & his agents?? Maybe I'm wrong, but if I am, I'll welcome anyone's response so long as it is accompanied by very specific Bible verses that defend his/her position on this unnecessary diversion of what Jesus told us to be doing in Acts 1:7.(Also 1 Corinthians 13:11 IMHO should also be kept in mind.)Did ANY of those passages you quoted refer to the Kjv, or any other translation to come?
Yes, as those ALL applied to the originals!I have not stated only those verses apply only to the KJV.
But they do apply to God saying them.
Don't you believe they are true for today and time coming?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
The word of our God shall stand forever.
Isaiah 40:8
Man shall not live by bread alone but by
every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Yes, as those ALL applied to the originals!
Bur not the originals only or you and I would not be saved.
For God so loved Yeshua1 and SGO that he sent his only begotten Son,
that since Yeshua1 and SGO believeth in him should not perish.
but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 somewhat
Where is Westcott and Hort's praises of Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior?
Your diversary strawman has nothing to do with my actual scripturally-based position.
I have not advocated nor recommended Westcott and Hort's Greek text.
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