Does being opposed to government intervention mean you hate the poor?

[Crabtownboy]

Hey Mex now it is you that has made old billy mad. He has gotten a little over emotional and irrational.

Oh, Rev. I am not mad. I am simply showing that you, me ... we all are on the dole and that you will not admit it. You want it, I bet, for yourself, but not for others.

We Americans like to think of ourselves as 'makers' and not 'takers'. We Americans are proud of our 'making' but for most part blind to our 'taking'.

 

[Mexdeaf]

So you are for perks ... the dole ... for some, but not for those you do not like. Interesting.

Why should you get a tax break on your mortgage interest, subsidizes to make your food cheaper, but not food stamps, even for the working poor. It is hypocritical to say in one post that all should be done away with and then turn around and say it is the governments job to do some things that benefit you.

Admit it. You want perks for yourself, but not for those that, for whatever reason, you do not like.

Ridiculous. My wife and I earn so little in our jobs (I work three, she works one - all part-time, thanks to Obamacare) that we could qualify for a lot of government help. But instead of that, we choose to work and when we need food assistance we get it from the church- there are plenty of ministries in our little town that provide food.

There in NO NEED for the government to be involved in the "poverty eradication" "health insurance" OR "social security" business whatsoever- NONE.

 

[Revmitchell]

Oh, Rev. I am not mad. I am simply showing that you, me ... we all are on the dole and that you will not admit it. You want it, I bet, for yourself, but not for others.

We Americans like to think of ourselves as 'makers' and not 'takers'. We Americans are proud of our 'making' but for most part blind to our 'taking'.

First this is the current DNC talking points. And second yes you are.

 

[Tom Bryant]

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I'm not the one calling people dung. Perhaps yourk too familiar? Name calling is childish and reflects the lack of maturity needed to have a conversation of any substance.

I'm not advocating for large fascist government, but reasonable help to citizens in need. I'm not in agreement with all the current policies, but that doesn't mean I want to toss out the proverbial baby with the bath water.

I didn't call you dung, just what you spout off. And yes, you want a large government. Just face it. If you say I hate the poor, then what is coming out of your mouth is dung. Chicken dung.

 

[saturneptune]

It is hard to consider anyone on this forum as in the poor category, as we all have internet, and internet is one of those utilities that would go by the wayside if we were financially strapped, like cable and cell phones. The basic utilities for needs remain electricity, gas, phone, water, sewage, and maybe a newspaper.

The government has a program for free cell phones and internet in some cases. That is unnecessary. It does not affect the quality of life. Besides the utilities, shelter, food, and health care, come before the internet.

 

[Revmitchell]

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The government has a program for free cell phones and internet in some cases. That is unnecessary. It does not affect the quality of life. Besides the utilities, shelter, food, and health care, come before the internet.

Its about wealth redistribution.

 

[Crabtownboy]

My wife and I earn so little in our jobs (I work three, she works one - all part-time, thanks to Obamacare) that we could qualify for a lot of government help. But instead of that, we choose to work and when we need food assistance we get it from the church- there are plenty of ministries in our little town that provide food.

I applaud your work ethic. It sounds like the type of work ethic that my wife and I grew up with. We never took money from our parents, the church or the government ... and we were poor when we were young. I remember the phrase, "We may be poor, but we are proud" spoken by many poor folk where I grew up. There is truth in this is an ethic that has been lost by large parts of our society and that is not good.

I applaud the churches in your area that run one or more than one food bank. I believe that is great. I have worked at one and I know that some people come who are obviously in real need of help. There are others I am not sure ... but here all have to be approved by Social Services. Several years ago there was a young man who came for food, well dressed, well spoken. After seeing him and hearing him I realized he was a person who was down on his luck and needed help. After a few months I did not see him again. Apparently he had gotten a job and no longer needed help with food.

Not all people on welfare are lazy. I have high school classmates who have worked all their life and are really poor. I do not feel it is through their own fault, they have worked and worked hard.

There in NO NEED for the government to be involved in the "poverty eradication" "health insurance" OR "social security" business whatsoever- NONE.

Obviously we do not agree on this as there are people who have no one to help and churches do not have the will or resources to provide.

If, as you say, there is no need for the services you listed why not do away with the following government programs and let private industry take over:

Road construction
Road maintenance
Bridge construction
Bridge maintenance
Water purification in towns and cities
Do away with aid to utilities when they build new generation plants
Garbage pickup
Income tax collection
Postal services
Subsidies to agriculture
Subsidies to the sugar industry
Soil Bank program
Blind rehabilitation programs
Subsidies to lending industrial and business loans

The list could go on and on. But your living expenses and mine are much lower because of the government funds designated to the list of services above.

As I have said before in other threads, I would rather my tax dollars go to help someone than to kill someone.

 

[go2church]

I didn't call you dung, just what you spout off. And yes, you want a large government. Just face it. If you say I hate the poor, then what is coming out of your mouth is dung. Chicken dung.

Yes you did, from page 5

I am used to people who run out of intelligent arguments, and have to assign motive. You are quite hateful. But you remind me more of chicken dung, and yes, I am familiar with that.

So there's that



You don't know what I want or what I would change in current policies. I think there are lots of improvements that should be made, but I don't think everything should be jettisoned.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes you did, from page 5

I am used to people who run out of intelligent arguments, and have to assign motive. You are quite hateful. But you remind me more of chicken dung, and yes, I am familiar with that.

So there's that



You don't know what I want or what I would change in current policies. I think there are lots of improvements that should be made, but I don't think everything should be jettisoned.

Just ignore him. He doesn't know any better.

When someone says something as unwarranted as his post, just consider the source, feel sorry for their littleness and ignore them.

Blessings.

 

[Mexdeaf]

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/3-unbelievable-food-stamp-statistics-in-america/

Over 45,000,000 Americans are on food stamps. That means 1 in 7.

Food stamps cover luxury items like lobster and filet mignon. An image circulated a few days ago of a recipt in which someone had $200+ worth of lobster tail and Mountain Dew and paid for it with a food stamp card. The grocery store confirmed it was true. When I was poor, I ate rice and beans and worried about paying my bills on time.

If you support welfare existing to stop starvation from being possible, then that’s one thing. I get it. Babies dying of malnutrition isn’t exactly what the goal is. But there’s no way around the fact that welfare should be reformed, cut, and that we should focus on giving tax cuts to the middle class to make it easier to leave poverty in the first place.

 

[Revmitchell]

If, as you say, there is no need for the services you listed why not do away with the following government programs and let private industry take over:

Road construction
Road maintenance
Bridge construction
Bridge maintenance
Water purification in towns and cities
Do away with aid to utilities when they build new generation plants
Garbage pickup
Income tax collection
Postal services
Subsidies to agriculture
Subsidies to the sugar industry
Soil Bank program
Blind rehabilitation programs
Subsidies to lending industrial and business loans

The list could go on and on. But your living expenses and mine are much lower because of the government funds designated to the list of services above.

As I have said before in other threads, I would rather my tax dollars go to help someone than to kill someone.

The problem is you think these are the same thing. Apple and refrigerators.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The problem is you think these are the same thing. Apple and refrigerators.

Not at all Rev. But if you are going to complain about someone else getting a perk then perhaps we all should look at the perks we get and decide which we are willing to give up.

It is easy to pick out perks that we do not get and complain about them.
How about giving up your housing allowance perk? I don't have that one. Only clergy has this 'food stamp'. [you recognize this as a metaphor ... right?] .... is that fair or right?

 

[Revmitchell]

Not at all Rev.

Then there is nothing more to say. Glad we agree.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I somehow don't feel the need to defend what I said to you, go2church. Accusing someone of hating the poor without knowing how they live, or exhibiting any desire to find out, is a lazy coward's way out. You have good company in that regard. If you're going to accuse people of hate you better wear yer big boy pants.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

No. Being against seven or eight generations of the same family on welfare does not mean you hate the poor. Being accused of hating the poor by a bunch of ill informed chicken dung self pious Pharisees also does not mean you hate the poor.

 

[sag38]

Curtis, I prefer to call the "bed wetters." They wet their beds at night worrying about global warming, why many conservative Christians don't just love the president, and how just a few more dollars in taxes from hard working people will solve all the country's problems. They are so much for gun control yet have no problem with the government using force to make it's citizens cough up more and more money to support generations of moochers.

 

[saturneptune]

Curtis, I prefer to call the "bed wetters." They wet their beds at night worrying about global warming, why many conservative Christians don't just love the president, and how just a few more dollars in taxes from hard working people will solve all the country's problems. They are so much for gun control yet have no problem with the government using force to make it's citizens cough up more and more money to support generations of moochers.

This is a what if question, but if the government ended most or all help to the poor and needy, would local churches stand up and cover the gap?

 

[Mexdeaf]

This is a what if question, but if the government ended most or all help to the poor and needy, would local churches stand up and cover the gap?

Or as an alternate question- would the poor and needy be motivated to look for work or would they riot in the streets for "their rights"?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Or as an alternate question- would the poor and needy be motivated to look for work or would they riot in the streets for "their rights"?

Mexdeaf, I am curious, do you believe that everyone who is poor or in need is lazy?