Well here it is..."Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
I think my "data" is in solid ground. How about yours?
No. I do not think it is. The verse is absolutely true. But that doesn't mean that few AMERICANS are going. It just means that few of the masses of mankind as a whole are going.
There is nothing in that verse that demands that ALL Americans not go to heaven.
America's population is about 300 million. The population of planet earth is almost 7 BILLION. If all Americans went to heaven who die in the next ten years it would be a drop in the bucket compared to those who die world wide. Even if a third of those who died worldwide were Christians and added to the Americans who all go to heaven it is STILL FEW comparatively.
So no. Your data is not solid because it assumes something that isn't necessarily so.
According to your logic you cannot say that most Americans are not saved. And that verse does not help you.
Huh
Please tell me you didn't compare our inability to raise the dead with what a person does know, doesn't know and their relationship with God (that only THEY can know). :laugh:
No, no. The dead have been raised before and as far as you know they are being raised everyday. Since you have no stats to prove otherwise you must base your conclusion that the dead are not being raised every day all over the world on SIMPLE EDUCATED CONJECTURE- the same thing I base my statement that the average Christian is not very spiritually mature on.
That is why you have so much problem with your Jack and John analogy...your "presuppositions"
I don't have any problems with it. None at all. You do.
No I don't, as I am not stating a fact as you did.
Where is this "education" coming from...your opinion? If it's conjecture, there must be some evidence. What?
It's hardly irrelevant. Your whole theory is based on mere opinion. Have you ever thought about the implications from your opinion, btw? If the majority of believers do not have a good relationship with God, what is that saying about the influence of the Holy Spirit?
Spiritual maturity is what we are talking about. I did not see that anywhere in the above lengthy and, imo, meaningless argument.
There's a relevant response! I will also declare Luke2427 does not know what is in a person's heart or head, and doesn't know and cannot know what the "average church goer" can and cannot grasp.
Then I will also declare that webdog does not know what in an American's heart or head, and doesn't know and cannot know what the "average American's" relationship with his Maker is.
Pretty simple, isn't it?
This evidence is based on the fact Luke2427 is not divine and is not privileged to have access to "the average church goers" mind and heart. How's that for educated conjecture?
So is the evidence that Webdog is not divine and cannot know whether or not the average American knows God. According to webdog, you have to know every human heart in order to know ANYTHING at all about the current culture.
