Does the blood of Jesus cleanse for even divorce/remarriage, or not?
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Does God allow Divorce Today?
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1689Dave
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Only if repented of. God's elect always repent.
So a born again person divorces his wife, and then suffers aheart attack and dies, so goes to Hell now?
is divorce the unpardonable sin then?
1689Dave
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Do you see Christians divorcing Christians in the scripture? You only see them forgiving each other.
I see that God does not wants Christians to do that, but i also see Him giving Biblical grounds for that to happen, and I do not see it as being the Unpardonable sin!
1689Dave
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Divorce came from Moses and ended with the Old Covenant. If Christians overcome sin, how can they divorce? Is it possible you will know people by their fruits and not by their profession?
Is 1 Cor 7:11-13 in your Bible?
Does this passage justify most/all married women to seek a divorce?
Mat 5:28 KJV But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:28 KJV But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
1689Dave
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“And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.” (1 Corinthians 7:10–15) (KJV 1900)
Where do I differ from this? Why do you want to put asunder what God tells us not to let any man put asunder?
atpollard
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Sadly, if one were to follow the logic of your argument, it would be better to live in fornication and have children out of wedlock (which can be forgiven) than to have been divorced and remarried (which cannot be forgiven without repeating the sin of divorce).
Since God had no trouble forgiving me for setting my enemies on fire, I am confident that he can forgive a man/woman for an ugly divorce and bless a new marriage. GRACE trumps LAW every time.
Is divorce the Unpardonable sin then?
God permits the unbeliever to leave, and to allow the injured believer to remarry in the Lord.
None of us here condone divorce just for divorce sake, as indeed the plan of God among 2 who named Jesus their Lord would be until death, but things do happen, and God is still the God to restore and to cleanse from all sin IF we avail His promise to do such!
Forgive me, i'm having a hard time understanding your post. Can you clear up what you're saying here?
atpollard
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Part 1:
"Sadly, if one were to follow the logic of your argument, it would be better to live in fornication and have children out of wedlock (which can be forgiven) than to have been divorced and remarried (which cannot be forgiven without repeating the sin of divorce)."
1689Dave seemed to be advocating that the only forgiveness from God for divorce is for both parties to repent and reconcile (get remarried). For a situation where both divorced partners had remarried, he seemed to advocate the position that both were committing adultery and should divorce their current partners and end their ongoing, unrepented sinning. From this LOGICAL position, divorce and remarriage is unforgivable unless one commits the sin of divorcing the adulterous current partner and seeking forgiveness from the previous partner. Forgiveness first requires still more sin.
Under this LOGIC, it would have been better if the couples had all simply chosen to live together out of wedlock and have children. Then the first couple would be guilty of fornication and the second pair of couples would also be guilty of fornication. However, the cure for fornication is to repent and marry the current partner. So under 1689Dave's Laws concerning Divorce, it is far easier to be forgiven of living together than to be forgiven of getting a divorce.
Part 2:
"Since God had no trouble forgiving me for setting my enemies on fire, I am confident that he can forgive a man/woman for an ugly divorce and bless a new marriage."
I have committed sins which, in my opinion, were far more hateful than any divorce. Yet God had no difficulty in forgiving a violent, nihilistic atheist criminal ... so I am fully convinced that God is just as able to forgive the sin of 'Divorce'.
Conclusion:
"GRACE trumps LAW every time."
This sums up my position on God's ability to forgive and restore and reconcile. No matter how much death and condemnation the LAW appears to bring down on our heads ... it is no match for the GRACE found at the Cross in the Blood and the Love of GOD. There is no sin that the Blood cannot wash away ... tru dat!
Thanks for clarifyingPart 1:
"Sadly, if one were to follow the logic of your argument, it would be better to live in fornication and have children out of wedlock (which can be forgiven) than to have been divorced and remarried (which cannot be forgiven without repeating the sin of divorce)."
1689Dave seemed to be advocating that the only forgiveness from God for divorce is for both parties to repent and reconcile (get remarried). For a situation where both divorced partners had remarried, he seemed to advocate the position that both were committing adultery and should divorce their current partners and end their ongoing, unrepented sinning. From this LOGICAL position, divorce and remarriage is unforgivable unless one commits the sin of divorcing the adulterous current partner and seeking forgiveness from the previous partner. Forgiveness first requires still more sin.
Under this LOGIC, it would have been better if the couples had all simply chosen to live together out of wedlock and have children. Then the first couple would be guilty of fornication and the second pair of couples would also be guilty of fornication. However, the cure for fornication is to repent and marry the current partner. So under 1689Dave's Laws concerning Divorce, it is far easier to be forgiven of living together than to be forgiven of getting a divorce.
Part 2:
"Since God had no trouble forgiving me for setting my enemies on fire, I am confident that he can forgive a man/woman for an ugly divorce and bless a new marriage."
I have committed sins which, in my opinion, were far more hateful than any divorce. Yet God had no difficulty in forgiving a violent, nihilistic atheist criminal ... so I am fully convinced that God is just as able to forgive the sin of 'Divorce'.
Conclusion:
"GRACE trumps LAW every time."
This sums up my position on God's ability to forgive and restore and reconcile. No matter how much death and condemnation the LAW appears to bring down on our heads ... it is no match for the GRACE found at the Cross in the Blood and the Love of GOD. There is no sin that the Blood cannot wash away ... tru dat!
I think that we all would agree that 2 Christians should be able to stay together until death do them part, but the hard truth is that we still are imperfect saints who at times still try to get our ways done, and divorce is a sad commentary on us being able to hve our own selfish will get worked out.Part 1:
"Sadly, if one were to follow the logic of your argument, it would be better to live in fornication and have children out of wedlock (which can be forgiven) than to have been divorced and remarried (which cannot be forgiven without repeating the sin of divorce)."
1689Dave seemed to be advocating that the only forgiveness from God for divorce is for both parties to repent and reconcile (get remarried). For a situation where both divorced partners had remarried, he seemed to advocate the position that both were committing adultery and should divorce their current partners and end their ongoing, unrepented sinning. From this LOGICAL position, divorce and remarriage is unforgivable unless one commits the sin of divorcing the adulterous current partner and seeking forgiveness from the previous partner. Forgiveness first requires still more sin.
Under this LOGIC, it would have been better if the couples had all simply chosen to live together out of wedlock and have children. Then the first couple would be guilty of fornication and the second pair of couples would also be guilty of fornication. However, the cure for fornication is to repent and marry the current partner. So under 1689Dave's Laws concerning Divorce, it is far easier to be forgiven of living together than to be forgiven of getting a divorce.
Part 2:
"Since God had no trouble forgiving me for setting my enemies on fire, I am confident that he can forgive a man/woman for an ugly divorce and bless a new marriage."
I have committed sins which, in my opinion, were far more hateful than any divorce. Yet God had no difficulty in forgiving a violent, nihilistic atheist criminal ... so I am fully convinced that God is just as able to forgive the sin of 'Divorce'.
Conclusion:
"GRACE trumps LAW every time."
This sums up my position on God's ability to forgive and restore and reconcile. No matter how much death and condemnation the LAW appears to bring down on our heads ... it is no match for the GRACE found at the Cross in the Blood and the Love of GOD. There is no sin that the Blood cannot wash away ... tru dat!
Since 2 people have divorced though, should they remain unmarried and seek to reconcile? Again, yes, if the divorced agree to allow the Lord to reconcile and bring them back into restoration. Least favorable option is to remarry again, but even then the parties can seek the grace and forgiveness of the Lord to ahve Him keep the new marriage solid and not repeat the sinful behavior of the past one.
1689Dave
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This is unforgiveness and adultery. God allows for neither. Moses allowed for it under the old Covenant now expired.
Paul wrote under the new Covenant, and that was what God inspired him to write!
1689Dave
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I believe this is true. We can repent from fornication, but not from an adulterous marriage apart from separation.[/QUOTE]
Since God had no trouble forgiving me for setting my enemies on fire, I am confident that he can forgive a man/woman for an ugly divorce and bless a new marriage. GRACE trumps LAW every time.
Do you still set enemies on fire? How can we continue in adultery and be forgiven without repentance?
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