Does God allow Divorce Today?

[1689Dave]

Paul wrote under the new Covenant, and that was what God inspired him to write!

But, divorce is man made. God knows nothing of it. And it passed with the Old Covenant. If someone sues a widow, just because the law says they can, does God approve of it?

 

[Yeshua1]

But, divorce is man made. God knows nothing of it. And it passed with the Old Covenant. If someone sues a widow, just because the law says they can, does God approve of it?

If a Christian remarries another, and seeks to be forgiven by God , and asks God to bless this marriage now, does He?

 

[1689Dave]

If a Christian remarries another, and seeks to be forgiven by God , and asks God to bless this marriage now, does He?

No. sin must be repented of before God will forgive it.

 

[Yeshua1]

How would that person repent of their prior divorce, divorce their current wife and start over again then?

 

[1689Dave]

How would that person repent of their prior divorce, divorce their current wife and start over again then?

I do not know if God's elect will wind up in this situation. But if I somehow did, I would separate and remain single, while at the same time not shunning financial and parental obligations.

 

[Yeshua1]

I do not know if God's elect will wind up in this situation. But if I somehow did, I would separate and remain single, while at the same time not shunning financial and parental obligations.

So divorce would be the unpardonable sin to you?

 

[InTheLight]

No. sin must be repented of before God will forgive it.

Chapter and verse, please.

Confession is necessary.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Yeshua1]

Chapter and verse, please.

Confession is necessary.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I guess true repentance would be to divorce the next wife?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I guess true repentance would be to divorce the next wife?

Moses said they were not to go back to their first wife if they remarried.

 

[1689Dave]

Chapter and verse, please.

Confession is necessary.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Is unforgiveness sin?

 

[1689Dave]

So divorce would be the unpardonable sin to you?

Can you expect forgiveness from God if you willfully continue committing adultery? Unforgivable? Yes, but whatever is born of God overcomes the world. “We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18) (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

Simply stated, divorce means nothing to God. It is purely man made fiction. God upholds it no more than he does laws that allow the fleecing and suing of widows in courts of law. Moses allowed for divorce under the OT (Now Abolished). But God never did. He told you and me not to let any man put what he joined in marriage - asunder.

So if we remove divorce from the table, people who divorce and remarry are nothing more than serial adulterers. And Christians who divorce Christians in pagan courts are unforgiving.

 

[atpollard]

Simply stated, divorce means nothing to God. It is purely man made fiction. God upholds it no more than he does laws that allow the fleecing and suing of widows in courts of law. Moses allowed for divorce under the OT (Now Abolished). But God never did. He told you and me not to let any man put what he joined in marriage - asunder.

So if we remove divorce from the table, people who divorce and remarry are nothing more than serial adulterers. And Christians who divorce Christians in pagan courts are unforgiving.

This sounds biblical, but is utter nonsense.

Let's use the most common real world example. A husband has an affair and abandons his wife and children for the hope of an elusive happiness with his mistress. The husband has committed adultery. The wife and children are blindsided by the divorce, cast into poverty and forced to struggle both financially and emotionally to cope with this tragedy inflicted on them.

Turning to the Church for comfort and support, you advise her that if she ever attempts to find happiness or a husband who will honor her and not shatter the marriage covenant, she has an unforgiving heart that prevents God from forgiving her. So the Church abandons the victim ... no, not abandons, CURSES the victim ... to a life of poverty and loneliness as the double punishment for being abandoned by a husband who shattered his vow to God and his Family and sinned against both.

Having in effect made such a woman into a "widows and orphans" with no family to support them, any church adopting your victim cursing policy should be willing to take over the responsibility for their financial support ... since you forbid her from remarrying as a young 'widow' would be commanded to.

To charge someone to keep a contract that the other party has broken is nonsense. The actions of the divorcing parties often reveal that those claiming to be Christians were really wolves in sheep clothing. God does not yolk sheep to goats and both to himself.

 

[InTheLight]

Is unforgiveness sin?

Once again a direct question is evaded.

You made a simple, direct statement, "There is no forgiveness of sin without repentance". I would like to know what scripture supports this. Please tell us.

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[1689Dave]

This sounds biblical, but is utter nonsense.

Let's use the most common real world example. A husband has an affair and abandons his wife and children for the hope of an elusive happiness with his mistress. The husband has committed adultery. The wife and children are blindsided by the divorce, cast into poverty and forced to struggle both financially and emotionally to cope with this tragedy inflicted on them.

Turning to the Church for comfort and support, you advise her that if she ever attempts to find happiness or a husband who will honor her and not shatter the marriage covenant, she has an unforgiving heart that prevents God from forgiving her. So the Church abandons the victim ... no, not abandons, CURSES the victim ... to a life of poverty and loneliness as the double punishment for being abandoned by a husband who shattered his vow to God and his Family and sinned against both.

Having in effect made such a woman into a "widows and orphans" with no family to support them, any church adopting your victim cursing policy should be willing to take over the responsibility for their financial support ... since you forbid her from remarrying as a young 'widow' would be commanded to.

To charge someone to keep a contract that the other party has broken is nonsense. The actions of the divorcing parties often reveal that those claiming to be Christians were really wolves in sheep clothing. God does not yolk sheep to goats and both to himself.

Where in scripture do you find God providing Divorce as a law? The only record is with Moses allowing it under the Old Covenant, now expired. And Jesus said God provided marriage and for us to let no man put it asunder.

If it isn't in Scripture, it is man made and evil.

Just a passing thought. How many families do preachers break up, when they reach their weakest point? Simply by teaching God allows divorce instead of forgiveness?

 

[1689Dave]

Once again a direct question is evaded.

You made a simple, direct statement, "There is no forgiveness of sin without repentance". I would like to know what scripture supports this. Please tell us.

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“Therefore repent and turn back so that your sins may be wiped out,” (Acts 3:19) (NET)

 

[atpollard]

Where in scripture do you find God providing Divorce as a law?

[1Co 7:15 NASB] 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

[NLT] (But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace.)

[NET] But if the unbeliever wants a divorce, let it take place. In these circumstances the brother or sister is not bound. God has called you in peace.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18 NASB

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”
17 Therefore
“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the LORD Almighty.”​

[Gal 5:18 NASB] 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
[1Ti 1:8-9 NASB] 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

 

[1689Dave]

[1Co 7:15 NASB] 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

[NLT] (But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace.)

[NET] But if the unbeliever wants a divorce, let it take place. In these circumstances the brother or sister is not bound. God has called you in peace.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18 NASB

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them

And walk among them.

I will be their God,

And they shall be My people.”

17 Therefore

“Come out from among them

And be separate, says the Lord.

Do not touch what is unclean,

And I will receive you.”

18 “I will be a Father to you,

And you shall be My sons and daughters,

Says the LORD Almighty.”
​

[Gal 5:18 NASB] 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
[1Ti 1:8-9 NASB] 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Where does it say God rescinded "let not man put asunder" after being married? Every pagan nation divorces but no where does it say God sanctions it. Divorce is an empty law of wicked human origins.

 

[atpollard]

Where does it say God rescinded "let not man put asunder" after being married?

Here:

[1Co 7:15 NASB] 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

Sleeping in the garage does not make me a Cadillac.
Getting married in a Church does not make one a Christian.

 

[1689Dave]

Here:


Sleeping in the garage does not make me a Cadillac.
Getting married in a Church does not make one a Christian.

That says only that people divorce. It does not mean God sanctions it. He says "Let no man put marriage asunder" (loosely quoted). You are doing the exact opposite of what he commands.