Does God allow Divorce Today?

[InTheLight]

“Therefore repent and turn back so that your sins may be wiped out,” (Acts 3:19) (NET)

In previous posts you have almost always quoted the KJV when you post scripture. This time I see you cherry-picked a modern translation that omits the critical phrase, "and be converted", as in:

"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out..."

Kind of funny that Sixteen-Eighty-Nine-Dave needs to pick up a modern translation from 2005 to find a verse to support his assertion.

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[atpollard]

That says only that people divorce. It does not mean God sanctions it. He says "Let no man put marriage asunder" (loosely quoted). You are doing the exact opposite of what he commands.

"the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases"

Why are you trying to place them under bondage, contrary to scripture?

 

[1689Dave]

"the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases"

Why are you trying to place them under bondage, contrary to scripture?

You assume "not under bondage" means they are divorced. But if divorce is not valid in God's sight, it means the divorced believer is not subject to the divorce law.

How do you justify your efforts to break up marriages (families) that God tells us to prevent people from putting asunder?

 

[1689Dave]

In previous posts you have almost always quoted the KJV when you post scripture. This time I see you cherry-picked a modern translation that omits the critical phrase, "and be converted", as in:

"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out..."

Kind of funny that Sixteen-Eighty-Nine-Dave needs to pick up a modern translation from 2005 to find a verse to support his assertion.

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Is it God's word? Or not?

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” (Acts 3:19) (KJV 1900)

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.” (2 Corinthians 7:10) (KJV 1900)

“If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:6) (KJV 1900)

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) (KJV 1900)

“Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” (Revelation 2:5) (KJV 1900)


etc., etc.

 

[1689Dave]

"the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases"

Why are you trying to place them under bondage, contrary to scripture?

You are trying to say they are bound to bogus divorce laws that aren't worth the paper they are written on.

 

[InTheLight]

Is it God's word? Or not?

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” (Acts 3:19) (KJV 1900)

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.” (2 Corinthians 7:10) (KJV 1900)

“If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:6) (KJV 1900)

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) (KJV 1900)

“Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” (Revelation 2:5) (KJV 1900)


etc., etc.

All of these verses refer to "repentance unto salvation", or repentance as part of conversion. And only one refers to forgiveness of sins (as a part of salvation.)

Once you are saved you're done with "repentance unto salvation". Your mind has been changed about Jesus. You've repented of your unbelief. Your sins have been forgiven. Once and for all.

You are speaking of people repenting of sins committed against other people. You are saying that people cannot forgive other people unless they repent of whatever deed they've done. That's not in the Bible.

 

[1689Dave]

All of these verses refer to "repentance unto salvation", or repentance as part of conversion. And only one refers to forgiveness of sins (as a part of salvation.)

Once you are saved you're done with "repentance unto salvation". Your mind has been changed about Jesus. You've repented of your unbelief. Your sins have been forgiven. Once and for all.

You are speaking of people repenting of sins committed against other people. You are saying that people cannot forgive other people unless they repent of whatever deed they've done. That's not in the Bible.

Can you think of any sins you have been forgiven apart from repentance?

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26–27) (KJV 1900)

“so that although they look they may look but not see, and although they hear they may hear but not understand, so they may not repent and be forgiven.”” (Mark 4:12) (NET)

“and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:47) (ESV)

 

[InTheLight]

Can you think of any sins you have been forgiven apart from repentance?

Yes, every sin I've committed since I was saved.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

 

[1689Dave]

Yes, every sin I've committed since I was saved.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

How can you live in unrepentant sin and be forgiven? “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (KJV 1900)

 

[InTheLight]

How can you live in unrepentant sin and be forgiven? “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (KJV 1900)

How can God command someone to repent and not give the person that ability?

 

[InTheLight]

How can you live in unrepentant sin and be forgiven? “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (KJV 1900)

Confession of sin is a tacit acknowledgment of repentance. You can't realize you need to confess a sin without repenting of it. Repentance means a "change of mind". Therefore if one agrees that what they did was a sin they are changing their mind about it, they are repenting.

Do you think someone has to actually utter the word repent, as in, "Lord, I repent of my sin of lying to my spouse. Please forgive me."

If someone continues to commit the same sin over and over and over, then perhaps they didn't truly repent of it. Doesn't mean that God doesn't forgive them of the sin if they confess it.

 

[1689Dave]

[1Co 7:15 NASB] 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.



Yes, indeed:



Is 1 Corinthians 7:15 God's word? Or not?
What does "not under bondage" mean?

Here you go, explain to her that she needs to forgive him and has no right to any 'normal' relationship except to move back with him and trust that he has really changed ... this time. Because God commands that they remain together 'til death'. I wonder which one will die first?

If you return to my original post, I mentioned abuse and separation in the last paragraph. The early Christians fled abuse. But they always forgave.

If God tells us not to let anyone break-up a marriage, why do you work so hard to break up marriages? Especially when they reach their weakest point? By peddling phony divorce arrangements that God abhors?

 

[1689Dave]

Confession of sin is a tacit acknowledgment of repentance. You can't realize you need to confess a sin without repenting of it. Repentance means a "change of mind". Therefore if one agrees that what they did was a sin they are changing their mind about it, they are repenting.

Do you think someone has to actually utter the word repent, as in, "Lord, I repent of my sin of lying to my spouse. Please forgive me."

If someone continues to commit the same sin over and over and over, then perhaps they didn't truly repent of it. Doesn't mean that God doesn't forgive them of the sin if they confess it.

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (KJV 1900)

This is repentance from sin. Notice only if we walk in the light (repentance) do we receive forgiveness.

 

[1689Dave]

How can God command someone to repent and not give the person that ability?

Who said anything about ability?

 

[InTheLight]

Who said anything about ability?

I was simply treating you to your usual method of evading the issue by changing it with a question.

 

[InTheLight]

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (KJV 1900)

This is repentance from sin. Notice only if we walk in the light (repentance) do we receive forgiveness.

Yeah...I might be familiar with that verse about being In The Light.

Our sins are forgiven when we are justified by faith. This happens at the moment of conversion, when the Holy Spirit indwells us. Our sins are forgiven once and for all.

What you are espousing is a works doctrine--we must do something in order to be forgiven. It's all a part of your faulty Lordship Salvation doctrine.

Walking in the light is part of the ongoing process of sanctification.

 

[1689Dave]

I was simply treating you to your usual method of evading the issue by changing it with a question.

It still remains, repentance is overcoming sin. And only overcomers go to heaven. “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.” (Revelation 2:7) (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

Yeah...I might be familiar with that verse about being In The Light.

Our sins are forgiven when we are justified by faith. This happens at the moment of conversion, when the Holy Spirit indwells us. Our sins are forgiven once and for all.

What you are espousing is a works doctrine--we must do something in order to be forgiven. It's all a part of your faulty Lordship Salvation doctrine.

Walking in the light is part of the ongoing process of sanctification.

Regardless: “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Hebrews 12:14) (KJV 1900)

 

[atpollard]

If God tells us not to let anyone break-up a marriage, why do you work so hard to break up marriages?

Like Paul, I require a marriage to be made by God before it is something sacred to God.
If the unbeliever does not want to hear the gospel ... shake the dust off your feet and move on.
If the unbeliever wants to leave the phony marriage (one in which God's marriage covenent has been broken ... if it ever existed) then don't let the door hit them in the tush on the way out.

This was less of a problem under the Law of Moses ... most of the legitimate reasons for divorce were punishable by death, so the wronged party became a widow/widower rather than divorced.

I have broken up no marriages. I have slept with no ones wife. I have been faithful to my wife.
I am against you punishing victims with merciless LAWS. I am for a GRACE that can cover all sins and a GOD who forgives and restores and makes the last days better than the first.

 

[Yeshua1]

Is unforgiveness sin?

Yes, but the death of Jesus covered that sin, the only unpardonable one is to reject Jesus to save you!