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Does God allow Divorce Today?

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Yeshua1

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1689Dave said:
Can you expect forgiveness from God if you willfully continue committing adultery? Unforgivable? Yes, but whatever is born of God overcomes the world. “We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18) (KJV 1900)
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If the person who remarried confessed they sinned against God and their former partner, and seek to be restored, is not the Grace of the Lord able to do that, and to now bless their new marriage then?
 
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1689Dave said:
Simply stated, divorce means nothing to God. It is purely man made fiction. God upholds it no more than he does laws that allow the fleecing and suing of widows in courts of law. Moses allowed for divorce under the OT (Now Abolished). But God never did. He told you and me not to let any man put what he joined in marriage - asunder.

So if we remove divorce from the table, people who divorce and remarry are nothing more than serial adulterers. And Christians who divorce Christians in pagan courts are unforgiving.
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So again, the blood of jesus cannot cleanse and forgive divorce?
 
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1689Dave said:
Where does it say God rescinded "let not man put asunder" after being married? Every pagan nation divorces but no where does it say God sanctions it. Divorce is an empty law of wicked human origins.
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God permits it to happen still, due to us still being those who will disobey Him and sin, but God still has His grace there to provide for either reconciliation, or to forgive/bless new marriage!
 
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atpollard said:

This sounds biblical, but is utter nonsense.

Let's use the most common real world example. A husband has an affair and abandons his wife and children for the hope of an elusive happiness with his mistress. The husband has committed adultery. The wife and children are blindsided by the divorce, cast into poverty and forced to struggle both financially and emotionally to cope with this tragedy inflicted on them.

Turning to the Church for comfort and support, you advise her that if she ever attempts to find happiness or a husband who will honor her and not shatter the marriage covenant, she has an unforgiving heart that prevents God from forgiving her. So the Church abandons the victim ... no, not abandons, CURSES the victim ... to a life of poverty and loneliness as the double punishment for being abandoned by a husband who shattered his vow to God and his Family and sinned against both.

Having in effect made such a woman into a "widows and orphans" with no family to support them, any church adopting your victim cursing policy should be willing to take over the responsibility for their financial support ... since you forbid her from remarrying as a young 'widow' would be commanded to.

To charge someone to keep a contract that the other party has broken is nonsense. The actions of the divorcing parties often reveal that those claiming to be Christians were really wolves in sheep clothing. God does not yolk sheep to goats and both to himself.
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Interesting that 1689Dave holds with grace and not Law, as he claims that we reformed do, and yet is he not going all out on Law here?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
God permits it to happen still, due to us still being those who will disobey Him and sin, but God still has His grace there to provide for either reconciliation, or to forgive/bless new marriage!
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Moses permitted divorce. And this was because of the hardness of the unbeliever's heart. Christ's body is believers only. And if they do not overcome sin, they are not genuine members of the body. Christ abolished divorce with the OT law. If civil law permits divorce, God does not. "Let no man promote divorce" (loosely quoted). All divorce is unforgiveness. And all remarriage is adultery.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
If the person who remarried confessed they sinned against God and their former partner, and seek to be restored, is not the Grace of the Lord able to do that, and to now bless their new marriage then?
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Can a prostitute turned Christian keep her job?
 
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atpollard said:
Like Paul, I require a marriage to be made by God before it is something sacred to God.
If the unbeliever does not want to hear the gospel ... shake the dust off your feet and move on.
If the unbeliever wants to leave the phony marriage (one in which God's marriage covenent has been broken ... if it ever existed) then don't let the door hit them in the tush on the way out.

This was less of a problem under the Law of Moses ... most of the legitimate reasons for divorce were punishable by death, so the wronged party became a widow/widower rather than divorced.

I have broken up no marriages. I have slept with no ones wife. I have been faithful to my wife.
I am against you punishing victims with merciless LAWS. I am for a GRACE that can cover all sins and a GOD who forgives and restores and makes the last days better than the first.
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Marriage between infidels is still marriage in God's sight. And divorce is still unfounded and unforgiveness. And remarriage is still adultery to be repented of. This is true of any before ar after they become a Christian.
 
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1689Dave said:
Moses permitted divorce. And this was because of the hardness of the unbeliever's heart. Christ's body is believers only. And if they do not overcome sin, they are not genuine members of the body. Christ abolished divorce with the OT law. If civil law permits divorce, God does not. "Let no man promote divorce" (loosely quoted). All divorce is unforgiveness. And all remarriage is adultery.
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If one has not reached a state of sinless perfection, one cannot be part of the Body?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
If one has not reached a state of sinless perfection, one cannot be part of the Body?
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You are not part of the body if you habitually live a sinful lifestyle. Even if you think you are. “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9) (KJV 1900)
 
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1689Dave said:
You are not part of the body if you habitually live a sinful lifestyle. Even if you think you are. “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9) (KJV 1900)
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Please define "habitually".

Are you God? Can you make these sorts of judgments?
 
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