Does God allow Divorce Today?

[InTheLight]

You cannot live in a state of adultery and expect to be one of God's elect. Whatever is born of God overcomes sin.

You seem to be saying that divorced people are not and cannot be Elect. Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.

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[1689Dave]

You seem to be saying that divorced people are not and cannot be Elect. Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.

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Born Again Christians always overcome sin. If you see anyone living in sin who professed Christ, you might question their salvation. 3/4 of the converts in the parable of the sower were false believers.

 

[Iconoclast]

...clear your mind of all presuppositions, take your time, read it real slow (out loud if you have to) and see that this is not a reason given that justifies divorce, this is an example of adultery.

The only BIBLICAL justification for divorce is fornication, which is NOT adultery.

If the person is already married....and marries someone else...either it is polygamy......or a divorce has taken place...as it says...if her husband yet liveth.....got it big guy?

 

[kyredneck]

If the person is already married....and marries someone else...either it is polygamy......or a divorce has taken place...as it says...if her husband yet liveth.....got it big guy?

Lol, yea, I get that you still don't get what the ONLY Biblical justification for divorce is... or actually it's just as He said, "Not all men can receive this saying", which evidently you're one of those.

 

[kyredneck]

Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Christ, the Author of the law, is speaking of prenuptial fornication, not adultery, as the only justification for divorce. Under the law adultery was a capital offense, punishable by death by stoning. The man had only ONE opportunity to legally divorce. It was a hard pill to swallow that not all men could accept.

 

[Covenanter]

It still remains, if you initiate a divorce, it is because you will not forgive. And if you do forgive, you must repent = reconcile the marriage. Any remarriage is adultery so long as the divorced spouse remains alive.

That's not the point. If your spouse initiates the divorce, or behaves in such a way that the marriage needs to be ended - violence, abuse of children, adultery, etc, then at least separation is needed, which is de facto divorce. Forgiveness of evil behaviour without repentance is for the injured party, & cannot mend the marriage.

I do not read that divorce is the unforgivable sin, nor do I consider it sinful when a man marries a deserted wife & cares for the children.

 

[Iconoclast]

Lol, yea, I get that you still don't get what the ONLY Biblical justification for divorce is... or actually it's just as He said, "Not all men can receive this saying", which evidently you're one of those.

Lol....good one kyred

 

[Iconoclast]

Christ, the Author of the law, is speaking of prenuptial fornication, not adultery, as the only justification for divorce. Under the law adultery was a capital offense, punishable by death by stoning. The man had only ONE opportunity to legally divorce. It was a hard pill to swallow that not all men could accept.

Yes...i know about the whole betrothed thing....got it. However that is Not the only situation where divorce could have happened.men were divorcing their wives for all sorts of reasons.

 

[kyredneck]

men were divorcing their wives for all sorts of reasons

Yes.

8 He saith unto them, Moses for your hardness of heart suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it hath not been so. Mt 19

 

[Wesley Briggman]

You cannot live in a state of adultery and expect to be one of God's elect. Whatever is born of God overcomes sin.

I agree. A child of God cannot live in a state of sin, adultery or otherwise, over an extended period of time without being convicted by the Holy Spirit. This is the "overcoming sin" part of the relationship and it is ongoing. OR:
[Heb 12:8 KJV] 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

 

[Mike Stidham]

That's not the point. If your spouse initiates the divorce, or behaves in such a way that the marriage needs to be ended - violence, abuse of children, adultery, etc, then at least separation is needed, which is de facto divorce. Forgiveness of evil behaviour without repentance is for the injured party, & cannot mend the marriage.

I do not read that divorce is the unforgivable sin, nor do I consider it sinful when a man marries a deserted wife & cares for the children.

I'm going to agree with Covenanter here. Sometimes divorce is forced as a fait accompli on a man or woman by the other party, especially when adultery or other sexual sin comes into the picture. If the party that broke the covenant refuses to repent, then the covenant is broken and the other party is freed.

 

[1689Dave]

That's not the point. If your spouse initiates the divorce, or behaves in such a way that the marriage needs to be ended - violence, abuse of children, adultery, etc, then at least separation is needed, which is de facto divorce. Forgiveness of evil behaviour without repentance is for the injured party, & cannot mend the marriage.

I do not read that divorce is the unforgivable sin, nor do I consider it sinful when a man marries a deserted wife & cares for the children.

Thanks for looking into this. Christians would always forgive and not pursue divorce. But as Paul says, if the unbeliever divorces you, you should let them go (and remain single). Remember, many are false believers and if a "Christian" acts like one, they probably are.

 

[church mouse guy]

Well, there is divorce, Italian style, but the big problem today is that the West has defined marriage more or less the way the East has--anything goes. The older generation relied on the legal reasoning of Guy Duty in his book Divorce and Remarriage, which shows by Biblical legal reasoning why divorce is allowed for adultery (and by extension of logic, desertion), which many have already posted.

 

[tyndale1946]

That's not the point. If your spouse initiates the divorce, or behaves in such a way that the marriage needs to be ended - violence, abuse of children, adultery, etc, then at least separation is needed, which is de facto divorce. Forgiveness of evil behaviour without repentance is for the injured party, & cannot mend the marriage.

I do not read that divorce is the unforgivable sin, nor do I consider it sinful when a man marries a deserted wife & cares for the children.

That was not the case for me, both her children and mine were adults... We were both Christians!... Her family and mine were also... I would have NEVER married a lady who was not!... Who wants to start from scratch?... Not me!... Brother Glen

 

[FollowTheWay]

I believe that any sin is abhorrent to God. As Christians we are not expected to be perfect (only Jesus was perfect) but to repent and turn away from sin. Therefore, I don't think diverse is in a different category than other sins. We are told that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin. I understand this to be attributing the works of Satan to the Holy Spirit and vice versa. For example it might be saying that God wants me to hate other people in a certain category.

Continuing in sin without repentance is not representative of a genuine Christian. But neither is rejecting someone because they have committed a particular type of sin. The best thing to do is to examine ourselves first and to take the beam out of our own eye before trying to take the mote out of our brother's eye. SAs Jesus said, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[1689Dave]

Well, there is divorce, Italian style, but the big problem today is that the West has defined marriage more or less the way the East has--anything goes. The older generation relied on the legal reasoning of Guy Duty in his book Divorce and Remarriage, which shows by Biblical legal reasoning why divorce is allowed for adultery (and by extension of logic, desertion), which many have already posted.

But, divorce is not an option for Christians who must forgive so they can be forgiven. And Christ abolished the Law (divorce included) on the cross. There is no such thing as divorce in God's sight. Divorce is man made fiction.

 

[Yeshua1]

This is a sad story. My position (having close kin in the same basic situation as you) is all divorce is not worth the paper it is written on. And any "divorced" and remarried are committing adultery. Needless to say I'm not a big favorite at family get-togethers.

So the blood of jesus is not sufficient to cleanse the sin of marrying another with biblical basis? That God can never see that remarriage as being valid, and can no longer bless them if they seek his forgivenes and grace?

 

[Yeshua1]

But, divorce is not an option for Christians who must forgive so they can be forgiven. And Christ abolished the Law (divorce included) on the cross. There is no such thing as divorce in God's sight. Divorce is man made fiction.

Jesus fulfilled the law, not abolish it!

 

[Yeshua1]

Wrong. No divorce except for FORNICATION, which occurred BEFORE the marriage. NOT the same as adultery:

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery. Matthew 19:9

Deuteronomy 22:13-21

The bloody bedsheets would tell the story. It was at that point the husband was to decide whether to forever hold his peace.

It's why the disciple's response:

10 The disciples say unto him, If the case of the man is so with his wife, it is not expedient to marry. Mt 19

Actually, the term would include any sexual deviant behavior, lewd pornography, prostitution, adultery, fornicate, alterante lkifestyles etc!

 

[Yeshua1]

Dave, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance and faith are both necessary for a person to be converted. However, repentance does not mean perfection. Christians do sin and sometimes they really make a mess of things; even to the point where the consequences of the sin cannot be undone. Divorce and remarriage is one such example. To counsel a divorced couple who are remarried to divorce their existing spouses only compounds sin. Repentance is still possible. It requires admission of the wrong done and corrective action (if possible). If a man divorced his wife and neither are re-married, it would be good for him to confess his sin and go back to his ex-wife. Praise God that has happened in some instances. Unfortunately, that is not always possible. David could not undo the mess he made by being complicit in the death of Uriah due to his adulterous affair with Bathsheba. He had to suffer the consequences of his actions. He was still a man after God's own heart.

Again, for a man who has railed against God's moral law, you seem to be insisting on your own version of it.

Is not the Blood of jesus sufficient to atone and cleanse for even the sin of being remarried wrongly now? If both parties confess to God they have sinned against Him and their former partner, and desire to have Him bless and preserve this new mariage, does God not forgive them, and see them now as being married?