Does God have a Mother?

[Eliyahu]

You didn't answer the question from Jesus in Mt 22:45

 

[natters]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
the main difference appears in this:

You say and believe that Word became Flesh:
Mary is the Mother.
Then does it mean that Mary was the mother of Word? or what did she or her body did?
You never answered it.

Yes, Mary is the mother of the Word, the Mother of God, the mother of Jesus. Jesus is the Word. Jesus is not just the clothes that the Word wears. Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is God in the flesh (NOT God wearing flesh). She is NOT the source of God, but rather the mother of God (the Word made flesh) in that Jesus (the Word made flesh) was conceived in her, grew in her womb, was birthed by her, and was raised by her.

If that doesn't clarify it for you, I don't know what will.

 

[Eliyahu]

How can the Word "become" something he already was?

I think I answered this because the flesh is changeable

 

[Eliyahu]

In the beginning there was the Word:

Therefore do you mean that Mary mothered (gave birth to) the Word?

Mary has a special technic to produce the Word, God? That is theology of the goddess worshippers! Watch out!

 

[Eliyahu]

You must interpret Jn1:14 with 1Ti 3:16
God was manifested in the flesh

When Bible say Word bacame flesh, it meant both
1) invisible Word became visible flesh
2) Word was enfleshed

 

[natters]

Eliyahu,

I don't know what else to say. We can banter back and forth for weeks, but the bottom line is that you are opposing fundamental Christian doctrine. I will NOT move from my stance, and I hope and pray you will continue to study this matter on your own under the guidance of someone who has the time and patience to guide you away from what has been considered heresy for almost two millennia.

 

[Eliyahu]

When I wear clothes I do not "become" clothes.


I think Jn1:14 is a general description and then it details in 1Ti 3:16

God was manifested in the flesh ( not become flesh itself)

Jn 1:14 uses "ginomai" which means
to be created into, to become, to come into a particular form of, to grow etc.

Now you are saying Mary gave birth to the Word in the beginning? or Word started to existed only after Mary gave birth to Him?
Which one is correct?

 

[Eliyahu]

I think that is good idea to conclude about the debate temporarily. But to me, any traditional or orthodixical theory is nothing compared to the Bible itself.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
[QB] Whether one is Orthodox is or not can be judged by God and His Words.

His Words interpreted by whom, you?

In my view, Majority
condemned Nestorius but Nestorius was the real Orthodox and those guys who condemned him were heretic!

Your view indeed.

The most of the Orthodox persecuted true Christians throughout the ages, and they are cult and heretic!

Ah...historical revisionism rears its ugly head once again...

 

[Eliyahu]

Doubting Thomas, please stop rearing the witchhunters head!

 

[Bunyon]

Eliyahu, you sould not waste your time with Doubting Thomas, he is form Rome, did you notice? LOL.

 

[Eliyahu]

Even though one doesn't reveal such, I notice there are many Roman Catholic Baptists here!

 

[Eliyahu]

The pity is that people are judging or discerning some ancient person without any literature written by that person, but with just the literatures written by his opponents, and even such opponents are full of heresies like Idol worship, goddess worship etc.
One good thing with this type of debate is that it reveals who is who, who belongs to Him

 

[Eliyahu]

But I forsee that someday will come soon when such idol worshippers dominate the world. However there are further assurances in the Bible that the true believers will win eventually and the followers of Anti-Christ will suffer a lot even during the tribulation.

 

[natters]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
One good thing with this type of debate is that it reveals who is who, who belongs to Him.

Really? So who has been revealed in this debate as not belonging to Him?

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Bunyon:
"Mary was no more an incubator that I was for my son or any other mother who bears and gives birth are for their children. She was the mother of Jesus. Jesus was totally 100% man as well as being totally 100% God. To try to "downsize" Mary's role as his mother attacks the humanity of Christ."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But were you the mother of their soul and spirit?
Trying to unduly elevate Mary is feminism in my opinion.

Being a mother does not mean I created the child -- God is the Creator. Calling Mary the mother of the God-man is simple fact - she was his mother. It does not mean she was the cause of his existence or that she was his creator.

This is an affirmation of the deity of Jesus, not an elevation of Mary.

 

[Eliyahu]

I know but don't need to talk about it!

You have not answered my question but I don't know you are ready to answer it!

 

[Eliyahu]

Mt. 22:45
If David then calls Him, Lord, how is He his Son? (descendant)?

Tell me your opinion

 

[Eliyahu]

Do you worship flesh as God?

Did you notice that Sarx has no article?

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
My understanding is that Holy Spirit worked in sending Pre-Incarnate Jesus with enfleshed into the womb of Mary, in the minimal size and in the human embryo form, either by attaching any dust or not. In such case the contribution by Mary was nil, but what she did was to nurture Him in her womb and served for the Creator.

Are you saying that Jesus was a divine spirit who was merely covered with flesh (enfleshed)?