Whoa there, I'll ask that you show your point before mine. Where does scripture indicate what you believe?
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Does Scripture Teach That God Created All Music?
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Whoa there, I'll ask that you show your point before mine. Where does scripture indicate what you believe?
Scripture More Accurately
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I would prefer to hear what other people believe and learn why they believe what they believe. I understand if you do not want to share your views at this time. Thanks for the interaction.
C'mon man, be accurate.
Scripture More Accurately
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Don't ignore my questions and then ask more questions of me.
Quantrill
"I would prefer to hear what other people believe and learn why they believe what they believe."
Please do the same for the interested parties of this thread I.e., what do you think about this and why.
Scripture More Accurately
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I answered your "questions" by explaining that the Trinity is not something that the Bible actually speaks about in any one passage but is something that is legitimately and necessarily inferred from many passages.
If you do not think that there are any passages in Scripture that actually (explicitly) speak about the use of Satan's music for his worship, all you have to do is say that you do not know of any. I did not make a claim that there were any or that there weren't any.
As far as my actual name being in Scripture, that is not a legitimate question so there is no legitimate answer that I can provide.
I see. The Trinity is only inferred. Sort of like the music of satan for his worship is only inferred.
Well, if your name is not explicitly given, then how do you know you are saved? As you have noted, we need the exact words else it just isn't acceptable.
Quantrill
Scripture More Accurately
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I do not believe that God created all music. The Bible does not say anything that supports holding that view.
The Bible never teaches that instrumental music is the one realm in the universe that was unaffected by the Fall. It teaches that the entire creation was corrupted. If one wishes to hold that instrumental music is somehow universally exempt from the corruption experienced by all the rest of the creation, he needs to prove that from Scripture.
The Bible does not say that God created the golden calves that Aaron and Jeroboam made. It does not say that He created the altar that Ahaz had Urijah copy from the one in Damascus. Similarly, there is no basis that I know of in Scripture to say that God created all the instrumental music that every human has ever played.
Scripture More Accurately
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Where have I noted that "we need the exact words else it just isn't acceptable"? All I did was ask you if you knew of any passages that actually speak about something; I never denied the reality of that thing.
As far as my being saved, God says that whoever will repent toward Him and believe in His Son will be saved. "Whoever" includes anybody who repents and believes what God has revealed in His Word about the gospel of God concerning His Son.
God has graciously granted me repentance and faith so I am absolutely certain that I am saved and have no doubts about where I am going to spend eternity.
I gave you passages that support what I said. You kept on asking for passages that actually say that. The bottom line is I believe the passages I gave you support what I said, that satan is musical and music is involved in his worship as music is involved in God's worship.
It is certainly not a matter of eternal life. You don't have to believe it .
Yes, I know, 'who' and 'whoever' leads us to believe that we are included and our name can rightly be included in that statement as one who is saved. Even though we don't actually have our name written there.
So, now that that is cleared up, what is your opinion of what I have said concerning satan being a musical being and music is involved in his worship?
Quantrill
Some instruments mentioned as being in heaven:
*harp
Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book,
the four beasts and the four and twenty elders
fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 15:2
and I saw as it were
a sea of glass mingled with fire:
and them that had gotten victory over the beast,
and over his image,
and over his mark,
and over the number of his name,
stand on the sea of glass,
having harps of God.
*trumpet
Revelation 8:13,14
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe, woe, woe
to the inhabiters of the earth
by reason of the other voices
of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
*pipes and tabret (tambourine)
Ezekiel 28:13
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering,
the sardius, topaz, and the diamond,
the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper,
the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle,
and gold:
the workmanship of thy tabrets
and of thy pipes
was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
*viol (violin?)
Isaiah 14:11
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee,
and the worms over thee.
stringed, wind,and percussive instruments
*harp
Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book,
the four beasts and the four and twenty elders
fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 15:2
and I saw as it were
a sea of glass mingled with fire:
and them that had gotten victory over the beast,
and over his image,
and over his mark,
and over the number of his name,
stand on the sea of glass,
having harps of God.
*trumpet
Revelation 8:13,14
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe, woe, woe
to the inhabiters of the earth
by reason of the other voices
of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
*pipes and tabret (tambourine)
Ezekiel 28:13
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering,
the sardius, topaz, and the diamond,
the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper,
the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle,
and gold:
the workmanship of thy tabrets
and of thy pipes
was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
*viol (violin?)
Isaiah 14:11
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee,
and the worms over thee.
stringed, wind,and percussive instruments
Scripture More Accurately
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Looking again at your first message, I disagree with these statements, "Because there is music from God, satan must imitate as he has no originality. So he will have his music also. ."
It is not true that Satan has no originality.
Satan is the father of lies, which means that he originated lying. In the same way, he has originated much wicked music, either directly by creating it himself or by influencing evil humans to play and create it, or both.
Scripture More Accurately
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All things considered, the passages that you have cited provide a valid basis for inferring that Satan has his music that is used for his worship; they do not directly state that truth.
There are translational, exegetical, and hermeneutical challenges with those passages that make using those passages to make that point controversial.
Using many other passages in connection with Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14, we can make a much better and stronger case.
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George Antonios
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Evil is what satan is. Not a product of his creation. satan has no originality in being god. He must always copy God. He knows it. It is why he desires to be 'like God'. (Is. 14:14)
If you agree that satan has created or influenced wicked music, why are you opposed to satan having music for worship of himself?
Quantrill
Did God create all music directly or indirectly? Yes, as everything created was created by God or His creations.
The OP claimed some people say God created all music directly. But, unless I missed it, no one has supported that alleged position or provided scriptural support for that position.
I could say God put invisible pink elephants in orbit around Mars. We could discuss it at length.
To pay attention to unsubstantiated claims is unwise.
The OP claimed some people say God created all music directly. But, unless I missed it, no one has supported that alleged position or provided scriptural support for that position.
I could say God put invisible pink elephants in orbit around Mars. We could discuss it at length.
To pay attention to unsubstantiated claims is unwise.
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