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Does the Bible teach Original Sin?
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He got it from jesus Himself and paul!True I am aware of who wrote it. Calvin promoted it while seeking to become the Pope of Geneva. I've read some of the history of Calvin.
MB
I grant them the same tolerance they give me. Some times the truth hurts.Election is not Salvation and there is not even one Gentile in scripture that was elect by God.. Election for Gentiles is an attempt to replace the Jew. No where is a Gentile ever elected in scripture. It is a figment of there imagination just like the rest of there deception
Since the Biblical God is a God of justice, this is why Calvinism can't be true, even though we should be tolerant of our fellow Calvinists as our brothers in Christ.
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if not elect, not saved!
I don't believe that even for a momentHe got it from jesus Himself and paul!
MB
No one said..YOU...were responsible for Adams sin. Could you show that post?Prove your theory of my being responsible for Adam's sin. Prove it with scripture. If you could you would have already done so Original sin is not biblical. It is a concept conceived by some Catholic priest a long time ago and it is a lie.
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Gen1:31 says everything was good.
Then Adam sinned.
The first sin...is known as ORIGINAL...sin.
Hope that helps you to begin to learn what is contained in the bible.
if not elect, not saved![/QUOTE]I grant them the same tolerance they give me. Some times the truth hurts.
MB
What no scripture Just your word . I don't believe in the says of men.
MB
No one said..YOU...were responsible for Adams sin. Could you show that post?
Gen1:31 says everything was good.
Then Adam sinned.
The first sin...is known as ORIGINAL...sin.
Hope that helps you to begin to learn what is contained in the bible.
The first sin was committed by Eve
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That is why you are in error in this area!I don't believe that even for a moment
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What no scripture Just your word . I don't believe in the says of men.if not elect, not saved!
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paul wrote that in Romans....
paul wrote that in Romans....[/QUOTE]What no scripture Just your word . I don't believe in the says of men.
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I've read Romans so many times and never read that why not show it to me.
MB
The term "died in Adam" is not in scriptur Whether or not spiritually or physcialAll spiritually and physically died in Adam....
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I've read Romans so many times and never read that why not show it to me.paul wrote that in Romans....
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Romans 8:33
Did the Fall affect all born after Adam and Eve? save for the Lord Jesus, due to His Virgin Birth?The term "died in Adam" is not in scriptur Whether or not spiritually or physcial
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In what way ? they weren't made sinners because of Adam and Eve. They did not suddenly have a sin nature because of it. They have the sin nature because we are all created with it Adan and Eve must have had a sin nature or they would not have sin. Adam and Eve sinned so they died. We sin so we die too. Adam wasn't perfect. He wasn't a god either.Did the Fall affect all born after Adam and Eve? save for the Lord Jesus, due to His Virgin Birth?
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Adam was created morally perfect, had no sin nature until the fall!In what way ? they weren't made sinners because of Adam and Eve. They did not suddenly have a sin nature because of it. They have the sin nature because we are all created with it Adan and Eve must have had a sin nature or they would not have sin. Adam and Eve sinned so they died. We sin so we die too. Adam wasn't perfect. He wasn't a god either.
MB
A sin nature does not make one immoral... Only sin does that.Adam was created morally perfect, had no sin nature until the fall!
MB
sin nature means are hell bound and against God!A sin nature does not make one immoral... Only sin does that.
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How was it then that Adam sinned so readily then . We have a sin nature so we sin because of it. God knew they would undoubtedly sin because they were created with a sin nature they sinned. The very fact that they did sin proves beyond a doubt they had a sin nature. You can argue 'till the cows come home because the fact they sinned proves they had a sin nature. They were perfect this is true but they conceived with in them selves to sin and they did. You're just denying the facts.sin nature means are hell bound and against God!
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Adam nature became sinful when he choose to fall!How was it then that Adam sinned so readily then . We have a sin nature so we sin because of it. God knew they would undoubtedly sin because they were created with a sin nature they sinned. The very fact that they did sin proves beyond a doubt they had a sin nature. You can argue 'till the cows come home because the fact they sinned proves they had a sin nature. They were perfect this is true but they conceived with in them selves to sin and they did. You're just denying the facts.
MB
Well you have original sin or you have the origin of sin. If you hold to the latter you are in good company with atheists and darwinian theory of evolution. You then follow the path of humanism as the means of creating a utopia on earth.Eastern Orthodox Christians and Jews have always maintained that, while we inherited the inclination toward sin from Adam, we did not inherit the guilt of Adam's sin, which would go against the plain meaning of scripture.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
While death and sin entered the world through Adam's sin, Adam was not created as naturally immortal. If Adam had never sinned, he would still have needed to continue eating from the tree of life to live forever.
Augustine's doctrine on original sin may have had more to do with his prior Manichaeism than with what scripture and the previous church fathers actually taught.
While we indeed need God's grace to avoid sin and receive the forgiveness of sin, that doesn't mean we inherited the guilt of Adam's sin.
The Anabaptists, who were the forerunners of the Baptist movement, taught that we inherited the inclination toward sin from Adam, but not Adam's guilt:
Neither has Judaism ever taught the Augustinian doctrine:
Eastern Orthodox Christians have never taught the Augustian doctrine of original sin, and many Eastern Orthodox Christians don't regard Augustine as a saint because of it. They instead refer to him as "Blessed Augustine," but not Saint Augustine.
It's kind of strange when Baptists, who reject the Catholic doctrine of baptismal regeneration, insist upon the Catholic doctrine of original sin on which it hinges.
I accept the Biblical teaching that Adam broke the covenant between God and man, which resulted in all men being born under the curse and in need of reconciliation being justified by faith alone.
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