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Dominion vs determinism

Psalty

Active Member
In Genesis 12, we find Abram, living in Canaan [Haran] doing great things for the Lord. Wait, no he wasn’t. In fact, he was an idol worshiper, as Joshua 24:2 alludes to. Here was this idol worshiper who God came to, took him from everything he knew, and made him a father of many nations…Abrahamic Covenant. There was nothing in Abram that made him stand out in the sight of God. In fact, he was in rank rebellion, worshiping idols.
Chosen for what? To salvation? or to bring the Seed you mentioned first that will bring salvation to all who have faith in Christ, like Abraham whose faith was credited as righteousness(Rom 4).

You cant take unconditional election for service and make it into unconditional salvation.
Another clear indicator that unconditional election is found throughout the Bible. From him came Isaac, then Jacob (Israel), and then this leads up to them being blessed by one Pharaoh, and then later enslaved by another.
I dont disagree that God can and does choose things. The question is as it concerns salvation, what has He decided? He has predestined that all who are in Christ will be conformed to the image of His son, as Eph 1:5 says.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Absolutely. As I wrote, the LORD will do with me as He pleases, and I am quite content to have committed my whole salvation to Him, and not on something I have done; thus, regardless of how much you gnash your teeth at the gospel of Christ that I proclaim on this board and elsewhere, I have a good hope (2 Thessalonians 2:16-17).

But as you say it is just a hope.

But can 2th 2:16-17 really apply to you? Those words apply to those that have freely trusted in God for their salvation.

So the reality is that your

Whereas I have the assurance of my salvation.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
God did not believe for me, but I only believe and I only repent because God gave the gifts of faith in Christ's finished works and repentance of dead works to me; I didn't somehow well it up from within me by my own non-existent "free will" strength.

You just contradicted yourself in this post

"God did not believe for me"

"God gave the gifts of faith"

If He has to give you the faith then He is believing for you. It is not your faith but His.

Odd that you cannot see the contradiction.

What is even more odd is that you say you believe the bible and yet you disagree with what the Holy Spirit said through Paul
 
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