Featured Election, Predestination and Scripture

We are saved by grace, through a faith that is not our own, but is a gift of God.

Van just can't comprehend the effort that God goes through to make His adopted children righteous and holy.
He has to make it all about himself and his own self-righteousness. It's just sad.

 

Menno believes God is too incompetent and limited in sovereignty to establish a system that doesn't work outside of Calvinism.

The "effort" that goes through? Although it might take you effort, Its a piece of cake for God to be God.

And just because you can't wrap your mind around being in control unless you control everything, doesn't mean God can't give all free will and still be in control.

The Calvinist attitude is He can do everything the way he wants unless he doesn't want Calvinism, this is so absurd.

In other words Calvinist don't believe God can actually do what he wants.

Even the commandments of God which apply to everyone intrinsically state the very desire and want of God.

Calvinist would have us believe God has FAKE desires and FAKE wants followed by Sincere wants and desires.


God does not Lie, does not author sin, doesn't rely on tricks or deception.

 

Just the opposite. God is so absolutely Sovereign that He gives to each person as He alone wills.

You, on the other hand, demand that God acts according to your will as one who bows to your personal sovereignty.

Unfortunately for you and fortunately for the entire creation, your view is a worthless lie from the pit of hell.

It pleases me greatly to serve the Sovereign God of the Universe who chose me by His grace.

 

Van, you struggle to comprehend that it is God who gave the woman faith.

Where does faith come from, Van? Do you conjure it up from your magic fairy world?

Who is the giver of all good things, Van?

Perhaps some day you will see how absolutely abhorrent and self-centered your teaching is. You attempt to diminish God every time you demand that faith is something you conjure up so that God owes you salvation.

 

You mean God shoved his hand up my back worked me like a puppet then plays that I demand that God acts according to the will he demanded of himself?

Your version of God is too dumb to deal with creatures with free will, He can only win a game of checkers by moving your pieces for you.

The problem is you can only accept God in your meager comprehensive limits. Which is a idiot God who must absolutely force all things. Your version is flat out a God that failed, Even when you sin who's fault is that? Not yours, its the "sin nature", God's fault.

Excuses Excuses Excuses. Why do you keep sinning? God's Fault. Oh but he gave me a saved T-shirt so I have a License to Sin.

Excuses Excuses Excuses.

Your theology was put out seeking a license to sin, holding God accountable for your mistakes.

Its time to grow up and take responsibility for the choices you made rather then blame God.

 

Nope, that's your perverted view because you demand that God grovel at your feet.

 

God let his son die for me, I don't see how groveling could top that.

 

He didn't let him...he ordained that it would be the very means of atonement for his chosen children.

You demand that God applaud your choice as though you are something special.

It's all about you. Such a man-centered view of God. You make Him less than He is. It's a pity.

 

Van, so many have already provided scripture to utterly refute you. You are wrong, yet too stubborn to admit it.

 

NOPE. Its your man-centered view of seeking a license to sin.

Luke 16

18“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.




If God had it his way he Adam and Eve would have never fell. Your view of God wants sin.

I can teach a dog to sit. You claim is that God can teach a man to do two things, jack and squat.

Of course you don't think you can stop sinning, I wouldn't either if I had an idiot for a god-teacher.

 

Sorry, there is no license to sin. Romans 6 is clear.
You desire that God be subservient to your own will and that he praise you for your good choice. That is a man-centered view that lifts up yourself while attempting to bring God down. It's not unlike what Satan did in heaven. Pride does that.

 

11“But the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12“Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

Who is the greatest among all humans? Me right? I am the "SUBSERVIENT SERVANT" .or is Jesus Christ the greatest among all humans?

Awesome catch with the rich man.

Matthew 19

23And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Menno, is it harder for a Calvinist to use common sense then for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven?

 

Because God is Sovereign and you are not.
Your argument has nothing to so with conditional election. Your argument is that you demand God do what you demand. Your argument is for your will to usurp God's will.
The Bible soundly rejects your man-centered claims.

 

Jesus is the King of Kings.

All humans are poor and wretched when they are called to enter God's Kingdom. No one who thinks they are rich will ever enter the Kingdom.

This is Bible 101 and you have failed the class.

 

Everyone is trying to control God except the sinless undepraved menno who thinks the rich are just as likely to enter heaven.

I think the young rich boy was called. As I recall Jesus told him leave it all and follow me. There is no question what kind of rich Jesus was talking about.

Its only people who seek license to sin want to twist the words.

Jesus thought he was rich, so it doesn't matter what one thinks.

 

You don't seem to be able to grasp what I said.

Richness is not a financial number. If that were so, the Centurion who showed great faith could never have been saved. He was very wealthy when it comes to money. He was very powerful among men.
So, the rich man that Yeshua is talking about must be someone who pridefully thinks he can control his own destiny (ie someone who thinks he can choose God and have God applaud him for such a great choice). That kind of prideful spirit has no place at the banquet table with God.

Finally, no one who has been adopted by God goes about seeking license to sin. To infer such, as you have done, is to be a moron. Thus I find your comments moronic.