eschatology continued 2

[prophecy70]

I know what you said. If you take "star" literally you claimed it would have to be a sun type object. But you were wrong, not understanding what ἀστήρ actually means. Just admit it. You will feel a lot better.

I feel absolutely fine actually. Thanks for asking.

 

[prophecy70]

B

Martin,

Thank you for posting those Scripture passages.

There are times when I long for the more familiar days but don’t want to go back too far. .

I really enjoy talking to older people then me, Im 27 years old stuck in the time before I was born.

 

[John of Japan]

Linguistic Illiterates, more personal attacks from the Futurists. Ive had less attacks from evolutionists. But more from the Global warming crowd.

Forgive me, I thought it was a statement of fact that you were linguistically illiterate (meaning uneducated), judging from your posts about the meaning of "star." I did not realize you actually had an education in linguistics. I went to 2 years of Japanese school (full time) myself. Where did you get your linguistic education?

As long as we're on the subject, what do you think about Gutt's version of relevance theory being used for Bible translation?

 

[prophecy70]

Forgive me, I thought it was a statement of fact that you were linguistically illiterate (meaning uneducated), judging from your posts about the meaning of "star." I did not realize you actually had an education in linguistics. I went to 2 years of Japanese school (full time) myself. Where did you get your linguistic education?

As long as we're on the subject, what do you think about Gutt's version of relevance theory being used for Bible translation?

This whole topic going to be about statement I made about stars. SMH.....

Did you actually read the commentary you told me to read?

 

[David Kent]

Oh my goodness. You need to learn some honesty. You made the false claim that in order to take the word "star" literally Roby would have to believe it had to be the big ball of glowing gas type star. I showed you that is false. I showed you that the word ἀστήρ means all the heavenly bodies strewn across the heavens. I gave you an example where even in English the word can mean heavenly bodies that are not big glowing globes of gas. Then John showed the same is true in Japanese.

You claimed that Roby would have to think the "stars" of the passage in question had to be the big glowing globe of gas in order to take it literally. I showed you that is not true. The word can mean any of the heavenly bodies. But you keep ducking and dodging and trying to cover your mistake, caused by your lack of knowledge of Greek (and English!), rather than just say, "Yeah, that was not a good example of "literal" was it." Which is what an honest man would say.

Excuse me,
but that is completely ridiculous, shooting stars fall regularly, we had a shower a few weeks ago, meteors occasionally, what prophetic significance would that have? Meteors, as far as I know fall individually,

 

[David Kent]

I agree about that, Jesus still spoke to his primary audience. Im not questioning the relevance today.

To me the Bible is full of 100% fulfilled prophecies, I don't need to look to the future for something happen yet. What Jesus said would happened did. This generation that sees this. In all of Matthew, when he said this generation it was the generation that was presently there, the generation of vipers.

Forgive me, I thought it was a statement of fact that you were linguistically illiterate (meaning uneducated), judging from your posts about the meaning of "star." I did not realize you actually had an education in linguistics. I went to 2 years of Japanese school (full time) myself. Where did you get your linguistic education?

As long as we're on the subject, what do you think about Gutt's version of relevance theory being used for Bible translation?

Oh yes I hold up my hands as being uneducated, in the world, but I have been educated by reading the bible, and not being taken in by men who think they know it all.

 

[TCassidy]

1 Corinthians 14:38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[David Kent]

1 Corinthians 14:38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Exactly.

 

[prophecy70]

“There have always been ignorant people, but they haven't always had college degrees to make them unaware of their ignorance. Some people imagine that they are well informed because they have memorized a whole galaxy of trendy dogmas and fashionable attitudes.”
― Thomas Sowell

 

[David Kent]

"Here lies the body of Benjamin Barrs
He owned the world and seven cars.
But then he died,
But missed the sky and all the stars."

 

[John of Japan]

Oh yes I hold up my hands as being uneducated, in the world, but I have been educated by reading the bible, and not being taken in by men who think they know it all.

Been educated by the Bible since I was a little boy, and my parents promised me a Bible of my own if I read through the book of John. I still have that Bible. That means I've deeply loved and faithfully read the Bible for over 55 years. TCassidy has read the Bible even longer than I have, I believe. And neither of us think we "know it all." That sort of charge is not a help.

I also have a few diplomas. (So I guess that means I "know it all," according to you.) I'm not at all ashamed of my degrees, two of them in Bible. And I will never, ever celebrate ignorance.

 

[John of Japan]

“There have always been ignorant people, but they haven't always had college degrees to make them unaware of their ignorance. Some people imagine that they are well informed because they have memorized a whole galaxy of trendy dogmas and fashionable attitudes.”
― Thomas Sowell

My goal on this and every thread here on the BB is truth. I am perfectly willing to admit where I am ignorant. And there are many places. And I have little respect for those here on the BB who claim expertise they don't have--and there are quite a few of them. Are you one of them, or do you respect hard-bought expertise?

 

[prophecy70]

My goal on this and every thread here on the BB is truth. I am perfectly willing to admit where I am ignorant. And there are many places. And I have little respect for those here on the BB who claim expertise they don't have--and there are quite a few of them. Are you one of them, or do you respect hard-bought expertise?

I dont respect all forms of "expertise" no that would mean I support AGW scientists, evolutionists, anyone with a degree. Quite frankly the attitudes of some people with degrees are well sometimes egotistical. Just because you received knowledge in preconceived Idea, doesn't mean its right. Do I respect the fact you have degrees? Sure, do I have to agree? Respectfully no.

 

[agedman]

I dont respect all forms of "expertise" no that would mean I support AGW scientists, evolutionists, anyone with a degree. Quite frankly the attitudes of some people with degrees are well sometimes egotistical. Just because you received knowledge in preconceived Idea, doesn't mean its right. Do I respect the fact you have degrees? Sure, do I have to agree? Respectfully no.

Decades ago, a medical doctor’s office had a mallard duck stuffed and mounted adorning one of his book shelves.

On the plaque it read “The Original Quack.”

 

[TCassidy]

Been educated by the Bible since I was a little boy, and my parents promised me a Bible of my own if I read through the book of John. I still have that Bible. That means I've deeply loved and faithfully read the Bible for over 55 years. TCassidy has read the Bible even longer than I have, I believe. And neither of us think we "know it all." That sort of charge is not a help.

I also have a few diplomas. (So I guess that means I "know it all," according to you.) I'm not at all ashamed of my degrees, two of them in Bible. And I will never, ever celebrate ignorance.

I started reading the bible in 1948, as a very small boy. I had to ask my older siblings the meaning of many of the words, but I read it anyway. (My 5 older brothers thought it was funny to teach me to read before I even got to kindergarten.) (It was the ASV of 1901, which preserved a lot of the archaic language of the KJV.)

Then in 1952 I got a RSV for Christmas and read and studied that bible. So, I started my love of the bible 69 years ago, and have never changed how I feel about the grand old book.

And, after a secular bachelors degree and many years working in the secular world, I received my seminary education when in my 30s, and received my last degree (JD) when I was 55 years old.

I certainly am not a "know it all." In fact, the more education I sought the more I realized how little I actually knew. But I am not ashamed of having sought higher education, and will never allow anyone to shame me for pursuing that education which has stood me in good stead for many decades, and allowed me as a seminary professor, like John, to poor my knowledge and experience into an entire new generation of bible believing preachers.

John said he will never celebrate ignorance. I concur. Those who have been on the Baptist Board for some few years (I have been here 17 years) know that my mantra speaks of such ignorance.

1. I do not suffer fools gladly.
2. I do not celebrate stupidity.
3. I do not treat ignorance as if it were a virtue.

And thus my signature lines.

 

[TCassidy]

I am perfectly willing to admit where I am ignorant.

The three days I spent with Dr. Robinson at the annual meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society brought to my attention just how little I understood in the area of Textual Criticism. I thought I had a pretty good handle on the subject but after talking with Dr. Robinson I had to admit to myself I knew absolutely nothing of any consequence on the subject. That is hard on the ego but is very good for the soul.

 

[agedman]

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And thus my signature lines.

The one I like is “Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity.”

 

[prophecy70]

I am younger and less educated then most of you on here. I respect you all for your education. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it because you have a degree.

For example

The western wall of what? Uh, the western wall of the Temple? LOL!

It was not the Western wall of the temple. It's the foundation outside of temple. Even the Jewish library of information says exactly that. The temple was destroyed. It was never part of anything but 3 other walls surrounding all the buildings inside. Just because of your knowledge and degree doesn't make everything correct.

 

[agedman]

I am younger and less educated then most of you on here. I respect you all for your education. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it because you have a degree.

For example



It was not the Western wall of the temple. It's the foundation outside of temple. Even the Jewish library of information says exactly that. The temple was destroyed. It was never part of anything but 3 other walls surrounding all the buildings inside. Just because of your knowledge and degree doesn't make everything correct.

Disagreement is usually welcome if all remain respectful and teachable.

 

[TCassidy]

It's the foundation outside of temple.

It is a retaining wall, built in 19BC, to expand the size of the Court of the Temple by a factor of about 3. It was there during the earthy ministry of Christ and He would have recognized it as a necessary part of the Temple complex. Without the retaining wall the Court would have collapsed.