Just was asking if you hold to the heretical or non heretical view
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easternstar
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I believe I am totally surrendered to God.
How do you know that still, small voice is the Holy Spirit and not just your conscience?
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I can't recall anyone on this board that has tossed that term 'heresy' around more than you. I'm certain that I would not designate as 'heresy' everything that you do.
I recognized that he had been posting as Yeshua1 for years. I was confused as to why he started posting as 'JesusFan'. Maybe he will tell us. The only difference in his posts now is he has stopped using the exclamation
at the end of every post
Ascetic X
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@easternstar — I basically have 5 signs that the Holy Spirit is residing within me:
(1) my heart resonates with the scriptures as being true (though sometimes hard to fully understand) when I read them
(2) I receive good ideas from Him, that seem not to be coming from my own intellect
(3) I become increasingly repulsed by my sins (quit some indulgent addictions lately) and worldliness (recently got rid of my television and all worldly music, movies, and books)
(4) I have a deep inexplicable inner peace, and other fruits of the Spirit, even when my surface thoughts are in turmoil
(5) I see so many ways that I have been protected from serious dangers and prevented from committing more horrid sins or crimes in my life.
(1) my heart resonates with the scriptures as being true (though sometimes hard to fully understand) when I read them
(2) I receive good ideas from Him, that seem not to be coming from my own intellect
(3) I become increasingly repulsed by my sins (quit some indulgent addictions lately) and worldliness (recently got rid of my television and all worldly music, movies, and books)
(4) I have a deep inexplicable inner peace, and other fruits of the Spirit, even when my surface thoughts are in turmoil
(5) I see so many ways that I have been protected from serious dangers and prevented from committing more horrid sins or crimes in my life.
easternstar
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I'm happy that you have that assurance. Thanks for your post.
atpollard
Well-Known Member
“Preterists” (which includes me) believe that the “end times” prophecies were fulfilled in the First Century (while the people that received the original letters were still alive like scripture states and they expected.
”Full Preterists” believe that ALL the scriptures were fulfilled (including Jesus’ return) … which was declared a “heresy” by the Church.
”Partial Preterists” believe that some things were fulfilled (like the destruction of Jerusalem is the promised ‘Tribulation’) and other things (like Jesus second coming) are still future events. [I am a partial preterist].
so @JesusFan was asking for clarification about which “preterist” view the person held.
(if someone thinks that Jesus has already returned, that is a pretty big deal)
Why should it be a big deal when so many passages indicate that His coming (presence) would occur before 'that generation' passed away?
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Christ explains some of the things that will take place, it's the the generation of Jews who are alive at the time the great tribulations begins.
It's Israel that takes the full force of the great tribulation.
atpollard
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Irrespective of whether one thinks the return of Christ is a past or future event, how can Jesus return NOT be a “big deal”?
Oh, it WAS indeed a big deal, a fulfillment of a myriad of scripture. I'm referring to the big deal made by those expecting a physical return of Christ here on earth vs His actual spiritual return at Pentecost and in judgement circa 70 AD.
Why is it such a 'big deal' to those if someone actually believes the scripture that they don't believe?
You should peruse the entire thread I linked to in post #28, several old timers were engaged, including 'the wearisome one' frothing to level the heresy charge.
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Alan Dale Gross
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Just so you've heard it here first. Believe it or not, Amil is Dripping in the Blood of Jesus.
Saying that should be enough to wet someone's appetite for Worshipping their Savior, to CHECK IT OUT. See post #20, for the link to the best commentary of Revelation you'll ever read. KH knows!
Since we're in this thing of talking about different 'schemes' or 'systems' for studying The End Times, maybe you've seen where I've posted lately about my concern over one certainty that I have come to understand.
Exactly what level of certainty can we have that this verse in the Bible does not contain the word, "Earth"?
4; "Then I saw the Thrones, and those seated on them had been Given Authority to Judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their Testimony of Jesus and for the Word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to Life and Reigned with Christ for a Thousand Years."
If, after looking and reading that verse, because Jesus said that we would be Blessed for reading the book of Revelation, and while studying this scripture with the Aid of the Holy Spirit, IF we find that "Earth" is not a word included in that verse 20:4 of Revelation, (which would mean that the action and players that are actually in there are all in Heaven, including Jesus), where does that take us from here?
Is there a possibility that God could be Directing us away from any system of End Times studies that are dependent on ADDING the whole concept of the "Earth" as being associated with where that verse talks about a 'one-thousand-year' period? Even their very 'name'? 'Pre-Mil, 'Post-Mill', 'Dispensational Pre-Mill'?
That sure seems to me like God Himself Utterly Obliterated and ABSOLUTELY ELIMINATED each of those other three systems and others who have invented 'a Millennium' for a new word description of what they came up with, from the start, RIGHT FROM THE VERY VERSE THEY SAY THEY GET THEIR TEACHING, where they proclaim that the future is going to be about a Stop-Watch timed period of 'a thousand years' that is going to take place on "Earth". WHERE????
Says who? Not God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit speaking through the writers of the Bible, OR IT WOULD BE IN THERE.
AND IT'S NOT. There isn't even enough support for their various opinions about the End Times to legitimize their claim to their own name.
Not even mention that we also have a hard time finding the words, "The Jews", "The Nation of Israel", "the land of Palestine", or the name "Jerusalem", when we make a double-check, proofreading of Revelation 20:4.
I understand exactly how this thinking came about, apart from the Liar being directly behind it (to throw everyone's attention away from the Revelation of Satan's Doom, in that same context).
I'll talk about that reason in another thread.
Happy Hunting. But I wouldn't look too much at works of men who don't have any more substantiation from the Bible for the beliefs they hold than Evolutionists, whose 'system' has never really even had enough evidence contained in the whole shabang to even qualify it as a 'theory'.
BUT THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR NAME, TOO, DON'T THEY?
Right up front! "The Theory of Evolution." When there is actually NO such thing, not even a 'theory', right out of the gate, much less any observable proof of 'evolution' anywhere!
That can be an inside preacher-joke, and it is really cool how your take on it is really real when we're trying to get settled on what God would have us to understand.
Anyway, the joke part of it can be like if you asked me my opinion about a controversial subject and I told you, "I'll have to go look that up in my notes 'to see what I believe about all that....'."
Speaking about another joke that is too serious for laughter, you can spot a false teacher on the 'End Times' this way. It's easy. It's all easy.
Just watch for them to close the Bible, and place one elbow on it, then point at you with a finger on their other hand, and say, "THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN THE FUTURE..." Really?
Really? You lost me, when you skipped the thing about "line upon line, precept upon precept". Where are the "lines" from the Bible in their little talk, and where are those "precepts" taught that they write sooooo incredibly much too much about, or rewrite the Bible about, in those Study Bible Notes they've got all over the pages of God's Holy Word, saying, "Millennial", "Millennial", "Millennial", "Millennial", "Millennial", "Millennial", "Millennial", etc.?
Really? Really?
Guess again.
If you can't preach to me something about what you stand for that is plainly and clearly spoken of in the Bible, then don't bring your guns to town.
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Alan Dale Gross
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Nailed it. If someone wants to know what the Bible teaches about the book of Revelation, I'll make them a challenge...
The first six chapters of Hendrixsen's book aren't that long, but if they'll just read those AND LOOK UP THE BIBLE REFERENCE AS THEY READ ALONG, then I know that would be a little effort, but I'm just talking about what I said about, "If someone wants to know what the Bible teaches about the book of Revelation"... Got that?