EVs are running out of customers

[JonC]

I support eliminating the Department of Energy. Do you, Van?

What would you replace it with?

I'm thinking more along the line of DOE nuclear sites....you can get federal contractors to run the sites (which is what they do) but I doubt you can find any corporation willing to actually take the sites (that'd be suicide).

And trusting companies to be the oversight isn't really a good idea. Capitalism rarely equates to taking on expenses related to environmental safety.

 

[JonC]

Turns out that in the hurricane, folks are finding out that they burn up when drenched with salt water, which provides a path for the electricity in the battery.

I just read that.

I wonder how lithium-ion marine batteries are different.

I thought about changing mine to lithium, but now I don't know (I occasionally fish in salt water).

 

[KenH]

What would you replace it with?

Nothing. Didn't even exist for the first 202 years of the United States's existence; seems like the U.S. did fine without it.

 

[John of Japan]

I just read that.

I wonder how lithium-ion marine batteries are different.

I thought about changing mine to lithium, but now I don't know (I occasionally fish in salt water).

I'm no scientist, but seems like any EV battery would be a problem if salt water linked the positive and negative poles together. So keep that battery, lithium or other, out of the salt water!

Here's a link: Saltwater is a lithium-ion battery's worst enemy. This aqueous prototype embraces it.

 

[JonC]

I'm no scientist, but seems like any EV battery would be a problem if salt water linked the positive and negative poles together. So keep that battery, lithium or other, out of the salt water!

But it's a boat. And the crabs live in saltwater.

 

[John of Japan]

But it's a boat. And the crabs live in saltwater.

Not all crabs. I've been called one before....

 

[Silverhair]

Currently is is possible to make ownership of personal use vehicles with a battery size of over 100 KWhs. This will provide a range near 400 miles for a daily drive. Then overnight the vehicle can be fully recharged.

BTW, lots of people use their EV Ford Lightning for commercial purposes but do not drive more than the single charge range.

I think you are dreaming there @Van. And I am not speaking of your car or pickup I am speaking of trucks that can actually haul something. Still have the problem of where to charge all those "EV's" and we do not have the grid that can handle them and we will not have one for a number of years.

 

[Silverhair]

Yet another effort to change the subject to my behavior.

Returning to topic: Here is the question:

Why did China heavily invest in developing LFP batteries but our Department of Energy offered lip service?
Bribe-o-nomics? ​

That is not changing the subject Van. You are saying that EV's are the best thing to come down the pike. @KenH is just saying what many others have said before, EV's are to expensive to buy and not everyone has the place to charge them and they do not work for those that do not have actual freight. If you want one to drive to the corner store then go for it but as of right now they are not practical for the working world.

 

[Silverhair]

Turns out that in the hurricane, folks are finding out that they burn up when drenched with salt water, which provides a path for the electricity in the battery.

I live in Alberta so not much salt water are many hurricane but we do get lots of clod and snow. Does that count

 

[David Kent]

For some reason ev cars are much more expensive to have serviced than fuel cars. And batteries sometimes dont last as long as they should and one driver said it cost him over £10,0000 for a new battery.

Then there is the fire risk. Two car transporting ferries caught fire recently destroying over 6,000 cars between them, many top Mercedes and Porsche models. Once a lithium battery catches fire they can't be extinguished. There have been many fires of EVs including cars, motorcycles and bicycles.

 

[Van]

I think you are dreaming there @Van. And I am not speaking of your car or pickup I am speaking of trucks that can actually haul something. Still have the problem of where to charge all those "EV's" and we do not have the grid that can handle them and we will not have one for a number of years.

The Ford F150 Ligntning can haul things.
Are heavy duty haulers, like an 18 wheeler, available now? Nope

A plug in Prius can drive about town using low cost electric and when a road trip is needed, it can go hundreds of miles and refuel in minutes..
Your grid cannot handle the load is a fiction.

 

[Van]

That is not changing the subject Van. You are saying that EV's are the best thing to come down the pike. @KenH is just saying what many others have said before, EV's are to expensive to buy and not everyone has the place to charge them and they do not work for those that do not have actual freight. If you want one to drive to the corner store then go for it but as of right now they are not practical for the working world.

Why did China heavily invest in developing LFP batteries but our Department of Energy offered lip service?
Bribe-o-nomics?

Are you going to answer the question or continue to address false claims about my behavior?

 

[Silverhair]

The Ford F150 Ligntning can haul things.
Are heavy duty haulers, like an 18 wheeler, available now? Nope

A plug in Prius can drive about town using low cost electric and when a road trip is needed, it can go hundreds of miles and refuel in minutes..
Your grid cannot handle the load is a fiction.

As I said Van you are dreaming if you think that EV's will be able to do any real work. As for plugging in one EV no problem but you want it just to be EV's and that is just a pipe dream. As for you Prius that is just a toy car that makes the enviro's feel good.

 

[Silverhair]

Why did China heavily invest in developing LFP batteries but our Department of Energy offered lip service?
Bribe-o-nomics?

Are you going to answer the question or continue to address false claims about my behavior?

I do not care why China did anything and you are the one that wants to change the channel. We are not talking about batteries but whether EV's will rule the world. That is just a dream. The grid will not allow for all those EV's and you know this although you will still push your enviro view. We will have combustion engines around for years to come.

 

[Revmitchell]

Thinking evs will help make oil free is idiotic. Where do these knuckleheads think that electricity to charge those vehicles comes from. Not sure why that needs explaining. Making the batteries alone is a severe problem

 

[JonC]

Nothing. Didn't even exist for the first 202 years of the United States's existence; seems like the U.S. did fine without it.

So who would take responsibility for DOE nuclear sites?

Not company will.

For example, I work at a DOE site. No company is going to buy 350 squire miles of contaminated land and millions of gallons of cold war nuclear waste.

They will manage it for a profit. But they would be stupid to own it. And they certainly won't adhere to DOE standards if the DOE does not exist as profit would increase if they didn't.

And the only profit here is DOE funding (nuclear waste is not a consumer product).

I don't believe you thought your answer through. This is not 1930.

 

[KenH]

So who would take responsibility for DOE nuclear sites?

Who was responsible for them before 1977? Give them back to them.

 

[KenH]

This is not 1930.

Well, I am stuck politically in the 1890s.

 

[JonC]

Who was responsible for them before 1977? Give them back to them.

The Federal government, managed by the Atomic Energy Commission. The Atomic Energy Commission was dissolved in 1975.

Here we have the nations only operating radiochemical separations facility. Also a plutonium and tritium facility. The fuel for the Saturn mission was made here.

So it isn't just processing legacy waste.

So to whom should it be given? You say the Federal government, but the DOE is federal.

 

[JonC]

Well, I am stuck politically in the 1890s.

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Things have changed since the 1890's.

We have nuclear capabilities.
We have electric vehicles.
We have men who think they are women.
We have furries.
We have people who think they are genderless.