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Icon,
You have always been rather timid. You need to start speaking out and let us know what you really think. LOL

 

Yes....I am shy and withdrawn:laugheople complain that I cut and paste

 

Well, I have a 24 hour sinless day going, so glad I cannot be accused of that.

 

Amen to this most wonderful post. Whenever I am bombarded by Satan(which he has been working overtime lately), I always go back to that moment in time when He came in a bound up the strong man in my life(because He is the stronger man), cast him out, spoiled his goods, and took up His abode in my life permanently. I can always go back there to my little "spot in the garden", where I partook of the Tree of Life, Jesus Christ. That's my experience of Grace, and I'll cherish it forever.

 

Aahhhhhhhhhh...relief!

Boy O Boy...it sure is gettin' deep in here....but it's GOOD for a change.:thumbs: They ought to FRAME this thread and call it an example of what happens when God is actually exalted !!:applause:

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

Amen to this!! :godisgood::jesus:

 

That's true, but from what I saw, he did not give that girl biblical advice. She had already called on the Lord to save her from her sins, and she was obviously very sincere. She needed assurance based on scripture, not to be terrified even more.

He didn't give her biblical preaching, he told her to cry out as if Hell was going to open up and swallow her. That is cruel, the girl was already in torments.

Yeah, and I bet you Calvinists can mess this simple verse completely up. If a person believes that Jesus is the Son of God who died for their sins and rose from the dead and calls on him to save them, Jesus does save them. Simple.

Anybody that calls on Jesus to save them is a believer. People do not call on whom they do not believe.

Well now, THAT is the debate between Cal and non-Cal isn't it?? I could list a dozen verses that say God wants to save all men and you know it. You will change the definition of the word all in every one of them.

Yes, and only the non-Cal preacher did that.

Assurance should be founded squarely on the word of God. If not, when the storm of doubts come, your house built on the shifting sands of emotion and experience will fall.

 

Winman.

It is not as simple as it seems ....as Paul speaks of:

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

You say:
you believe in osas
you say it is simple,just believe=you are saved

Paul speaks of some who have believed in Vain...do you see the problem here? Can you connect the dots???

 

Winman,

 

Icon,
A personal opinion question for you. Where do you think man ever got the idea he could determine his own salvation or have a part in it, when, God is the Creator? God wrote the Bible, He is the One who is Holy, and He makes the rules. God provides all we need for salvation. It seems to be just by thinking about it, that it is the height of arrogance to think that we have a part to play in salvation. We are a created, sinful, flawed being. We are the ones that sinned. In our natural state, we are self centered, and the last thing on our mind is pleasing the Lord.

Man freely choosing in a sinful state just makes no sense. We should thank God everyday, for choosing us, giving us the faith to believe, and giving us a new heart in the form of the Holy Spirit.

 

time for a group hug?

Question? Are we saved by grace through faith as written in the Bible or are we saved by faith in the doctrines of grace as noted by the westminster divines? Seems to be a lot of support here for the latter.

 

I would hope that no Baptist would subscribe to the Westminster Confession of Faith, since it is a paedobaptist document. That said, some Baptists on here subscribe to the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith, and see it as a faithful commentary on major doctrines of the Bible; the Bible still being the sole authority for all matters of faith and practice. That said, the 1689 LBC points to the Bible having the answer to your question, not the confession itself:

 

SN,
The effects of the fall are total in that they are all pervasive.
When anyone is searching through scripture they can see the cumulative effects manifest in outward actions, plus inward thoughts;

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

Cain's offering was not acceptable, it was man made religion.He offered what he wanted to instead of what was acceptable....

We see more on the inward thoughts of fallen mankind in psalm 10;


10 Why standest thou afar off, O Lord? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?

2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God:

5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

6 He hath said in his heart,[
QUOTE] I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.[/QUOTE]

7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

8 He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.

9 He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.

10 He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones.

11 He hath said in his heart,

12 Arise, O Lord; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble.

[/QUOTE]

14 Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.

15 Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none.

16 The Lord is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.

17 Lord, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:

18 To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress.

This psalm tells us the inner motives of all sinners[in red] in a way that we can know for sure.In common grace the outward manifestations of this wickedness are restrained by God so as it is not total anarchy....and that only as part of God's longsuffering...bearing with the sin of the reprobates only long enough to allow all the elect to come into the ARK.....Christ Jesus:thumbsup:

3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

OLD REGULAR also got right at it where Paul shows the downward spiral in Romans 1;

The verse that is mis-used much fits in here describing the noetic effects of the fall;
25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.

29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

 

25 The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;
26 it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the Lord.
27 It is good for a man to bear the yoke
while he is young.
28 Let him sit alone in silence,
for the Lord has laid it on him.
29 Let him bury his face in the dust—
there may yet be hope.
30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.
31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.
33 For he does not willingly bring affliction
or grief to anyone.
14
The visions of your prophets
were false and worthless;
they did not expose your sin
to ward off your captivity.
The prophecies they gave you
were false and misleading.

I did not send these prophets,
yet they have run with their message;
I did not speak to them,
yet they have prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my council,
they would have proclaimed my words to my people
and would have turned them from their evil ways
and from their evil deeds.

Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!


It is simple all is not saved not because God doesn't desire them to live it is because they have not repented to live. To turn to God through Jesus Christ and listen and learn from Him they are the ones who will come

 

I want to thank everyone in this thread who helped me patch things up with Icon, but mostly, I want to thank Icon for his forgiveness after some of the posts of the past. I have patched things up with Zaac, so I am feeling much better. This board has become a part of my life.

 

My best answer.

Are ye saved, he saved us. ----- Here are the facts.

A. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor. 15:3
B. Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.

Those two things are how we have been saved. The Son laid down his life in our stead. God the Father who beget the Son raised the Son from the dead.

If that had not taken place there would be no salvation for anyone. 1 Cor 15:17 tells us that if Christ has not been raised, and it was the Father who raised him, we are yet in our sins.

It took both for salvation. A. A dead sinless Son. B. The giving of life again to that Son.

We are not, I say again, not talking about a body here we are talking about a Son who had died.

Whether it be, "are ye saved, " of Eph. 2:8 or, "he saved us," of Titus 3:5 they have to be saying A and B above.

A and B above have to be in, grace through the Faith and also have to be in, mercy, by washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

If A and B are not inclusive in those two verses then we are not saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ the Son of the living God.


The question is how and to whom and when is the above applied to people?

Paul was not telling people how to be saved, he was telling them what took place by which they can be saved.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

I'm glad for the reconciliation. I don't think I've ever seen this done publicly on the Baptist Board. Apologies are rare on the BB. Good for you and the other guys.

 

Revival??

Maybe these things are a sign that we might be blessed with a revival of sorts here on the BB. That would be wonderful....and SN...I agree with you...the BB is definitely an important part of my life as well for which I thank God genuinely. It is a blessing and pleasure to be able to enjoy the fellowship of fellow believers here. Can't go to church everyday but we can come here. I have been unemployed for the last 9 months so it has been a blessing to spend a good chunk of my home-time here. I have a job interview that I am hopeful about today (Saturday) so I'd appreciate anybody who would lift my wife and I up in prayer about this. If I get the job it may shorten up my time here on-line but I'm here for life until I "go Home"...then I'll get to actually meet some of you fine folks!:thumbs:

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

GP,
Will pray that you get that job, if there are people you are meant to interact with about the gospel, if not ...we will prayer God gives you employment where you can be used to save souls with a solid gospel testimony! If the job opens up...God has probably already been preparing the hearts of those persons you will interact with.