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Faith? Where does it come from?
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That is like asking:
Why did the Philippian jailer put his faith in Christ, but not the magistrates themselves who feared when they found out that Paul was a Roman and they had beaten him and jailed him unjustly. Was the jailer better than and more intelligent than his superiors? It is a ridiculous question.
Jesus said that to his disciples who were already looking for the Messiah to come.
He also said that to them after they had already believed.
The invitation always goes out and gives an actual invitation to come and believe:
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The final invitation given has absolutely no conditions attached:
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
We all believe the scriptures. It is the interpretation of the scriptures that is in question.
Truthfully, I don't find much merit in this answer.Because he was numbered among the elect of God. Because they were not numbered among the elect of God.No. He was elect, through no merit of his own, but according to the good pleasure of God's Will, and they were not.
All that is ridiculous is that you can't answer it.
Both you and I weren't around before the foundation of the world, and don't know who the elect are. To pretend that we do is simple arrogance. The elect are those that believe. We don't know when a person will believe. Maybe they will believe some time before their death, and may be the magistrates did. We don't know and can't say. We can only look at things from our perspective, from this side of eternity.
My duty is to pray for the individual, to continue to witness to him, to continue to be a testimony to him; not to write him off as one of the non-elect.
Romans 1:19-20, 28
That is all he ever does, because he cannot deal with what is obvious to most everyone else.
Should we expect any different? Those who resist truth cannot be expected to offer truth which is what they resist to begin with.
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
That men are fully responsible to God does not show they have faith....at all...as the rest of the chapter shows how they are under the judgment of God for their sin and rebellion....
let's see vs 28;
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
men have turned from the true God....this does not address this topic at all.....
Yes...indeed....this is the M.O.....this is why he draws fire from all of us....
Romans 1:19 because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.
Romans 1:28 Even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Hmmmm. Not a single word of innate faith. Not one.
Verse 19 says that God, in His Sovereignty, has included in Creation, evidence of His existence, even in the nature of man himself.
Verse 20 tells us that Creation sends us a clear message about Who God is, His eternal power, and His divine nature so that all persons are without excuse.
Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God. The expanse shows his handiwork."
But still not one word of "innate faith."
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What is the exact question that you think I am avoiding?
Oh yes.....he infers....or he speaks and posts for you....lolCautiousSickSickSick
In essence you are asking DHK what makes him to differ with those who don't believe. Well, according to DHK, DHK made the difference all by himself.
The following statements were made in April of 2008. He holds to all the errors below to this day.
Per DHK "God may be involved with our salvation."
Per DHK "The Holy Spirit may be involved in our salvation."
Per DHK "It is true that God knws the choices of individuals."
Per DHK in his commentary of John 1:13 :"Others made their choice to reject him. To those who made that wise choice...'
Per DHK "Thus through a combination of 'superior wisdom' and 'keen perception' he came to Christ." And those words reveal "how a person does come to Christ."
Per DHK :'The choice is his. He is not forced to make a decision by the Holy Spirit. He has the ability to make the decision all on his own."
Per DHK :"He knew ahead of time what decisions I would make, but he didn't 'cause me' or force me to make them."
Per DHK "I believed. It was my faith. It was my decision. God did not force me to make this decision. He knew about it of course. But the decision was mine and mine alone."
According to DHK :"I believed. It was my faith. It was my decision. God did not force me to make this decision. He knew about it of course. But the decision was mine and mine alone."
According to DHK :"God knew aforetime who would be saved and who would not be saved. He in no way would affect their choice. He would not force them one way or another. He would not influence them to choose to receive or reject. They of their own accord would make the choice. He just knew about it in advance. It was his foreknowledge."
That is a summary of DHK's take which radically overthrows what the Scripture teaches.
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