Featured Faith? Where does it come from?

I've provided Scripture yet you have none to prove that faith is innate. Provide this or better yet stop your false teaching, eh?

I've alluded to your innate faith false gospel, and you're the one advocating innate faith, and then you are telling me that pointing out your Sola Finney belief is an insult? Really? LOL!

Now, go fetch a verse that proves biblical faith is the same as trusting a bridge, chair, parachute, starter solenoid, key, or sitting on a toilet. That's right, there are no such verses.

 

Yes, he calls Calvinists lost via implication. DHK has called me lost personally and gets by with doing so on this board. This venue affords him this opportunity and obviously could care less, not to mention the relentless lying. We are well aware of what he believes concerning Calvinists, it is quite apparent.

 

Brother,

In your view, are posters who try to persuade others into their belief in limited atonement by debating for it on the board guilty of the "damnable heresies" described in 2 Peter 2:1?

 

Faith is confidence in the word of another that that person will accomplish what he or she said he would do.
When I was saved I put my faith in Christ, as it was revealed to me in the Scriptures, in Him as Lord and Savior, that He could do what the Scriptures said He could do--save me, forgive me, give me eternal life, and He did.
--That is salvation. Christ became the object of my faith, and He still is for I never stop believing.

I am a missionary. I often travel without my wife to areas that are quite remote--sometimes without electricity, without access to a phone or internet, etc. But I have implicit faith in my wife that she can be responsible for everything at home while I am away. I cannot rely on any of my five senses for that period of time. So that is the faith, trust, confidence that I must have in my wife at that time.
In addition, I put my faith in the Lord to take care of her, and no doubt she does the same for me. In Christianity, much of the time our faith is exercised through prayer.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

 

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

You put two statements together that were unrelated and out of their respective contexts.

Fully persuaded of what? Many people are fully persuaded. A Muslim wouldn't be a suicide bomber if he wasn't fully persuaded that it was the right thing for him to do. Some of your politicians seem to be fully persuaded in their convictions that they are right, and in their decisions, that they are better than the others.

 

Biblical saving faith is not magical. Knock it off.

I was quoting your nonsense.

 

I quoted 2Peter 2:1. I referred to Peter. And I gave you the sense of the passage.
When you disagreed with me on that much I gave further explanation informing you that my interpretation was not new nor novel. And then I quoted at length from the Bible Knowledge Commentary which takes the same position as I had already explained. So what rule have I broken?

Let's consider Young's literal translation:

(YLT) And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick destruction,
--What the KJV translates as "damnable" many others translate as "destructive," which is probably more accurate, the doctrine being destructive to the unity of the church.
--The other word is "heiress," more accurately translated "sect," as a sect of the Pharisees. In fact out of the 9 times the word is used 5 times it is translated sect, and 4 times it is translated heresy in the KJV. But what did the word "heresy" mean 400 years ago? Was it more of schismatic, a divisive person?

I don't believe what Calvinism teaches, and I don't need to apologize for that.
I don't need to apologize for not being a Calvinist.
And I don't need to apologize for the Bible when it doesn't harmonize with Calvin's teaching!

 

I have already. Read the thread. I am not going to give you a special audience.
Your failure to refer to the Word of God and simply casts aspersions demonstrate your lack of Biblical knowledge and second your inability to debate. This is your third straight post without referring to the Bible, and the same holds true for throwing insults.

 

Certainly no one can refute something that is biblical. To refute means to prove. What I was saying (and you know it quite well) is that you have intentionally mischaracterized the views of Calvinists. Over and over again we have told you that we do not hold to that which you have attributed to us. But you have deliberately ignored our pleas with an arrogance that is beyond belief.

 

I believe that Limited Atonement is a destructive teaching as it is defined in some other translations.
I have seen many other churches "destroyed" once a pastor holding such views have come and taken over the pastorate. It has caused church splits, hard feelings, and much damage in the "body."

The board is for debate. This is not a church. We can expect to have differences here. But in our local churches there needs to be unity.

 

You believe Christ died for the elect.
I believe Christ died for the world.
I also believe that is what Peter is referring to in 2Pet.2:1.
At no time did I question your salvation.