Faith? Where does it come from?

[BrotherJoseph]

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Yes, I know the verse, however it doesn't say every person every, tongue, people, and nation have heard the gospel, but rather that He "hast redeemed" some out of every such people by "THY BLOOD" not "BY ONE"S BELIEF IN THE GOSPEL". There is a difference, but as you maintain the false dogma of "gospel regeneration" you either won't or refuse to see the difference because doing so completely wipes out and turns into rubbish your "redemption as a result of belief in the gospel" doctrine! No scripture says every person will hear the gospel, this is not only unscriptural, but also a historically inaccurate view you have to hold on to in order to maintain your false theology.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I believe that Limited Atonement is a destructive teaching as it is defined in some other translations.
I have seen many other churches "destroyed" once a pastor holding such views have come and taken over the pastorate. It has caused church splits, hard feelings, and much damage in the "body."

That's one way to get the carnal Christians outta there.

 

[Rippon]

There are many who don't believe in particular redemption, including Peter who calls it a damnable heresy.

You should not be a teacher of the Word with that kind of nonsense. In 2 Peter 2:1 it has nothing to do with soteriology. The stuff you come up with are deliberate absurdities.

 

[TCassidy]

At no time did I question your salvation.

That is patently untrue and you know it is untrue.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

I believe that Limited Atonement is a destructive teaching as it is defined in some other translations.
I have seen many other churches "destroyed" once a pastor holding such views have come and taken over the pastorate. It has caused church splits, hard feelings, and much damage in the "body."

The board is for debate. This is not a church. We can expect to have differences here. But in our local churches there needs to be unity.

I just don't see how it is either logical or consistent for you to maintain the view you seem to hold that teaching limited atonement is a "damnable heresy" if one proclaims it to saints in the church, but not if one declares and teaches it to an even wider audience via a public internet forum that can realistically reach many more people both saved and unsaved alike than when it is taught in the local church, don't you see your inconsistency/hypocrisy in such a view, or do you merely maintain this inconsistency so you can remain a member of this board?

 

[Rippon]

Yes, he calls Calvinists lost via implication. DHK has called me lost personally and gets by with doing so on this board. This venue affords him this opportunity and obviously could not care less, not to mention the relentless lying. We are well aware of what he believes concerning Calvinists, it is quite apparent.

I am with you all the way here.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

You should not be a teacher of the Word with that kind of nonsense. In 2 Peter 2:1 it has nothing to do with soteriology. The stuff you come up with are deliberate absurdities.

Brother Rippon and others,

I think it is getting hot on this thread, typically this is about the time brother DHK declares the thread has has reached it's maximum post limit and must be shut down, but not before he makes the final few reply posts so he can have the last word. Lets wait and see.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

Brother DHK,

Care to answer the below question I previously posted to you?

Brother,

Can you name one worldly physical thing one has full confidence and assurance in in this world without relying on their five senses, or visible seen past performance, or science? I bet you cant because Biblical faith, unlike the faith of this world, does not rely on the senses, science, or even human reasoning to become "fully persuaded" of the truth, this is why God has to grant it unto us.

 

[Rippon]

The board is for debate. This is not a church. We can expect to have differences here. But in our local churches there needs to be unity.

You're running around the barn. Own up to what is being said. You have intentionally lied about us and clearly have said we are heretics. This is not a matter of mere differences and you know it right well.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

I am a missionary. I often travel without my wife to areas that are quite remote--sometimes without electricity, without access to a phone or internet, etc. But I have implicit faith in my wife that she can be responsible for everything at home while I am away. I cannot rely on any of my five senses for that period of time. So that is the faith, trust, confidence that I must have in my wife at that time.
In addition, I put my faith in the Lord to take care of her, and no doubt she does the same for me. In Christianity, much of the time our faith is exercised through prayer.

Again the only reason you have "faith" in your wife is because with your five senses you have seen and witnessed with your own eyes her carry out past actions that proved she can be trusted for her future performance, thus this is not like Biblical faith because unlike with your wife example, for the promises of God one cannot rely on their prior experience with one of their five senses having seen God carry out past actions faithfully in order to have a confidence in God's future performance of a promise.

 

[Iconoclast]

DHK

1. The Kingdom hasn't come yet.

Your denial does not prevent it. Sorry you have not entered into it yet...

Therefore it is your dream world.

I will share my dream openly then DHK...since you say you know nothing about this Kingdom...[I believe youCautious]
lk22
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
heb12;
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Acts1422 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

acts28;
23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

24 And some believed the things which were spoken,{that would be the dreamers like me!}

and some believed not.

this would be you and other dispensationalists as He used the OT scriptures to speak to gentiles about the Kingdom.

Look again;
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Two years preaching about what you denigrate as a dream.....interesting how you miss it again

2. It is not my world.

So do you now recant your error? That is okay if you do!

Your unbelief in 2Cor.4:4 is astounding, where Paul plainly states that Satan is the god of this world.

Hint;
small g = not the true God!

I don't own the world. I don't rule it.

SickSickSick I do not know if anyone thought that was true, but thanks for the confirmation

--The devil can have what is his.

you err not knowing the scriptures;
Psalm 24King James Version (KJV)

24 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

 

[Iconoclast]

You're running around the barn. Own up to what is being said. You have intentionally lied about us and clearly have said we are heretics. This is not a matter of mere differences and you know it right well.

He has violated the BB rules many times.....you are requesting honesty here?RoflmaoUnsureWink

 

[Iconoclast]

Do you honestly believe this? This contradicts historical record and fact. You believe history supports all nations, kindred, tribes and tongues after the time of Christ's ascension actually may have heard the gospel? Ok then, how did the American Indians hear the gospel around AD 55 or so (please provide historical citation in your reply other than the Book of Mormon LOL).

Interesting this hogwash , and yet he suggests I live in a dream world????

 

[Internet Theologian]

I have already. Read the thread. I am not going to give you a special audience.
Your failure to refer to the Word of God and simply casts aspersions demonstrate your lack of Biblical knowledge and second your inability to debate. This is your third straight post without referring to the Bible, and the same holds true for throwing insults.

So then it is true, you have no Scriptural evidence to support your Finney-ism. I already knew this, but wanted this to be on the record. Thank you.

 

[Internet Theologian]

You're running around the barn. Own up to what is being said. You have intentionally lied about us and clearly have said we are heretics. This is not a matter of mere differences and you know it right well.

For the record, it is then not against the rules here to call someone a heretic? DHK has done this, and many times, with the relentless lying.

 

[Internet Theologian]

That's one way to get the carnal Christians outta there.

Truth is goat repellent.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This was directed to others as they were beginning to stray into when the kingdom of heaven starts. I want us to stay with the source of faith. Thanks in advance.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Truth is goat repellent.

Like Black Flag to a roach. Gasp...cough...hack...phtttthunnn!!! 'flat line......'

 

[TCassidy]

Fully persuaded of what? Many people are fully persuaded. A Muslim wouldn't be a suicide bomber if he wasn't fully persuaded that it was the right thing for him to do. Some of your politicians seem to be fully persuaded in their convictions that they are right, and in their decisions, that they are better than the others.

So you think a Muslim suicide bomber is fully persuaded regarding salvation through the sacrifice of Christ?

And you think politicians are fully persuaded that Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords?

Really? Or is this another case of you "misunderstanding" the context of being "fully persuaded?" Deliberately misunderstanding so you can deflect away from the actual topic? Misunderstanding so you can avoid answering a question you can't answer unless you admit your soteriology is defective?

 

[DHK]

Yes, I know the verse, however it doesn't say every person every, tongue, people, and nation have heard the gospel, but rather that He "hast redeemed" some out of every such people by "THY BLOOD" not "BY ONE"S BELIEF IN THE GOSPEL". There is a difference, but as you maintain the false dogma of "gospel regeneration" you either won't or refuse to see the difference because doing so completely wipes out and turns into rubbish your "redemption as a result of belief in the gospel" doctrine! No scripture says every person will hear the gospel, this is not only unscriptural, but also a historically inaccurate view you have to hold on to in order to maintain your false theology.

As long as you are close minded toward what I believe you won't know. To classify one's beliefs as rubbish and yet be ignorant of them is not honest debate.