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We have eternal life and are spiritually alive right now, but nowhere near as grand as when we will get glorified in the resurrection!

 

By the way guys, I've provided scriptural backing for the fact that Adam had a living spirit in the previous thread, and here in post #46.
Those points have yet to be addressed.

 

1st question: Not necessarily. Scripture does not say one way or the other after all it's only important to you. It has no importance to me
2nd question: Perfect
MB

 

Ok I think I understand your point a little better. Thanks.

Yes we can because death only comes as a result of sin:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

And because God doesn't create mortal things but he is the God of the living, not of the dead, as our Lord taught us:
Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Yes we do because God said exactly that:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I honestly fail to see the problem here, and of experience, whenever someone unduly struggles with a simple Biblical truth, it's that they're actually aiming at resisting another target behind that surface issue.

 

Adam was created with a sinless nature, and was in communion with God, after he fell, no longer was sinless nor in a right relationship! And we are born as sinners away from God due to that now!

 

Oh, I see what you mean. You are correct. I can't believe I wrote something so confusing.

I should have said "if Calvinists believe Adam was created spiritually alive, then became spiritually dead when he sinned, that would be a problem for belief in the "P" of TULIP.

 

Not true the Bible never says we are born sinners.
MB

 

We are born with a sin nature, as we are dead in our sins and transgressions!

 

We have both physical and spiritual life now, why not Adam?

 

With all due respect, everyone here is dealing with scripture. Please don't imagine you are the only person using scripture.
What you have done is actually not use scripture, but instead make the claim that scripture does not say and thus you infer that by not finding the exact word (spirit) this makes your position valid. In truth, your argument is one of silence in scripture, which you take as the impetus to your view having legitimacy. Lack of a specific word in Genesis 2 does not therefore make your position legitimate.

Finally, as a moderator you have a bully pulpit when you argue. You can shut down a thread if it doesn't go your way. I would ask you to recuse yourself of moderator privileges if you are going to drive personal threads. At the very least, recuse yourself of that role in every thread where you join the discussion.

 

he always state that we are speculating or adding philosophy to what the scriptures say, but he seems to be doing the very same thing that we are claimed to be doing!

 

Or, I haven't been here in a while. I remember you dodging this a while back. But if you've finally defined it, please let me know what you came up with, or point me to a link where you defined it.

 

Scripture actually does state we are dead in sin. So was Adam somehow exempt from this statement of Scripture? It's not only important to me. It is directly found in Scripture and the fact that it is not important to you is a little concerning.

 

Dead in sin John. That isn't a physical death since people are physically alive while being dead in sin.

 

Why is that?

 

It's not a problem. It is strawman arguments.

 

Checkmate.

 

I presume they're defining life as having the Spirit. But it's the Spirit that gives us life. Our perseverance and eternal life is guaranteed by the Sprit Himself, not the life he gave us.

At least I'm guessing that's where they're going. I thought this argument was put to rest 1500 years ago.