Faulty Theology

[MB]

Your'e confusing 2 issues. Arminius and Wesley believed in original sin, and the need for a prevenient grace to break through one's depravity (spiritual death). Calvin believed this grace was efficacious. There's an argument over this. But not over the clear teaching of original sin and Adam's spiritual death.

That simply doesn't matter to me I'm not Arminian. I do not hold to anything like the tulip. The tulip is not Biblical. Never has been. It is a creation of man. Calvinism created Arminianism and Catholicism created it all and there is nothing true about Catholicism. The only truth there is,is the Bible. Men add to the Bible to satisfy them selves not God. .
MB

 

[AustinC]

That simply doesn't matter to me I'm not Arminian. I do not hold to anything like the tulip. The tulip is not Biblical. Never has been. It is a creation of man. Calvinism created Arminianism and Catholicism created it all and there is nothing true about Catholicism. The only truth there is,is the Bible. Men add to the Bible to satisfy them selves not God. .
MB

So any comment you make is therefore false, as is all other commentary by all humans surrounding scripture.

That's the negative relativist position. No one can be correct because no one can accurately interpret scripture.

 

[Calminian]

That simply doesn't matter to me I'm not Arminian. I do not hold to anything like the tulip. The tulip is not Biblical. Never has been. It is a creation of man. Calvinism created Arminianism and Catholicism created it all and there is nothing true about Catholicism. The only truth there is,is the Bible. Men add to the Bible to satisfy them selves not God. .
MB

Yes, you are right, you are not a calvinists or arminian. You are full Pelagian. Your argument that Catholics believe in original sin, therefore it's wrong is fallacious at best. Catholics believe in the Trinity, so I suppose you deny that also.

But original sin, that idea that Adam took on a sin nature when he fell, and passed it to his descendants is thoroughly biblical..

Rom. 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.​

You have to reject Paul to deny it.

 

[HankD]

Indeed. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. How can we call Adam making us sinners anything but spiritual death. What other concept could Paul be speaking of?

good question

 

[JonC]

Dead in sin John. That isn't a physical death since people are physically alive while being dead in sin.

David,

Yes, man is dead in sin.

What you are assuming is that Adam had life (spiritual life) apart from life in Christ (which is contrary to Scripture).

Life that is spiritual is called several things in the Bible. For example, it is "everlasting", of "imperishable seed", "the Spirit of God".

Do you believe that spiritual life is eternal life or do you believe it is temporary?

 

[HankD]

I'm denying it completely. All who are called or drawn can be saved and all are drawn Jn 12 32. There is no inability that is plain nonsense and it isn't in scripture.. I reject all of Calvinism.


I understand they already are. This is not personnel between us I still like you no matter what.
MB

thanks bro

 

[JonC]

I presume they're defining life as having the Spirit. But it's the Spirit that gives us life. Our perseverance and eternal life is guaranteed by the Sprit Himself, not the life he gave us.

At least I'm guessing that's where they're going. I thought this argument was put to rest 1500 years ago.

It was put to rest 1500 years ago, but that was the Catholic Church. Many of us hold doctrines that are not RCC based.

 

[JonC]

First, post the scripture that says Adam had no spirit, but when he disobeyed he was spiritually dead.

Second, I am happy if you recuse yourself from moderating or closing any threads in which you have joined as a commentator.

I said Adam had a human body, human spirit, and human soul. Why do you believe Adam did not have a natural spirit?

Do you believe the lost do not have a spirit?

Threads are, and will continue to be, closed after 130 posts. If you cannot handle that then I can recommend other boards that do not have that rule.

Closing threads that reach that limit is not, BTW, using a "bully pulpit" as anyone here who has read the sticky know when the threads will be closed and the conversation can continue on another thread (there is no escuse for ignorance).

 

[JonC]

Due to length thread is closed.

Please feel free to continue here
Faulty theology pt 2