Flying and federal laws

[Reformed1689]

Who determines if an EO is legal or not?

Well the President does not actually have the unilateral authority to make law so...

 

[JonC]

Who determines if an EO is legal or not?

The Supreme Court. An executive order is essentially the same as a law (it carries the full weight of law) unless it is declared unconstitutional by the Court.

 

[Salty]

The Supreme Court. An executive order is essentially the same as a law (it carries the full weight of law) unless it is declared unconstitutional by the Court.

Actually any court could do that! It probally would end up in appeal in the SCOTUS

 

[JonC]

Actually any court could do that! It probally would end up in appeal in the SCOTUS

I've not heard of a lower court doing it, but if so you ate right - it'd end up in the Supreme Court.

Congress can also invalidate an executive order via legislation.

 

[Salty]

I've not heard of a lower court doing it, but if so you ate right - it'd end up in the Supreme Court.

Congress can also invalidate an executive order via legislation.

But it would have to be signed by the President which probably would not happen! ie why would a POTUS signed a bill that would dissolve his own EO?!

 

[Reynolds]

During WW II many items were rationed -ie Gas, rubber, some foods, ect.
When the war was over - the rationing ended.
Lets trust the same will happen when the Chinesee Virus is no longer a major threat.

But going back to masks- provisions must be made for those who do have medical issues.

Rationing in wartime and masks are like comparing Apples and Sweet Taters..
Putting on a mask is not being patriotic,bit is aiding the enemy.

 

[Reynolds]

Perhaps we should trust Scripture even in times like these.

Rather than fighting to demonize vaccinated people, or strip away the freedoms our nation has afforded men, maybe your efforts would be best spent making your own decisions rather than trying to decide for others and being content with the life of a sheep serving one Shepard.

My problem is when y'all vaccine cavers try to make my decisions for me. Bunch of snowflakes melting everywhere because you terrified of a very non lethal virus. It's about control!

 

[Reynolds]

I've not heard of a lower court doing it, but if so you ate right - it'd end up in the Supreme Court.

Congress can also invalidate an executive order via legislation.

I guess you slept through the Trump administration. The California Federal courts struck down everything he signed.

 

[Reynolds]

But it would have to be signed by the President which probably would not happen! ie why would a POTUS signed a bill that would dissolve his own EO?!

They would have to override his veto.

 

[JonC]

But it would have to be signed by the President which probably would not happen! ie why would a POTUS signed a bill that would dissolve his own EO?!

Maybe he will forget it was his own EO.

 

[Reynolds]

Maybe he will forget it was his own EO.

And that's who you follow. Joe says mask up and get jabbed.

 

[Salty]

They would have to override his veto.

True - but probably unlikely

 

[Reformed1689]

And

The Supreme Court. An executive order is essentially the same as a law (it carries the full weight of law) unless it is declared unconstitutional by the Court.

And what gives the president such authority and what is its scope. They do not just get to unilaterally make law.

 

[JonC]

My problem is when y'all vaccine cavers try to make my decisions for me. Bunch of snowflakes melting everywhere because you terrified of a very non lethal virus. It's about control!

This is the problem.

You think that those of us who decided to be vaccinated against covid were caving in. You think that we got the vaccine out of fear.

Until you are able to accept the reality that people have decided to be vaccinated or have refused a vaccine as a result of making health care decisions you will be unable to see past the political yoke placed around your neck.

Most of us who are conservatives did not get vaccinated because Trump told us we needed a vaccination. Most liberals did not get vaccinated because Biden told them to.

You believe covid is a non-lethal virus. Those I knew who died of covid would disagree.

But even here you make a grave error. Most did not take the virus because we were afraid we would die. Like most people I believed should I get covid I would survive.

Same with the flu. I would be very surprised to wake up in heaven having died of the flu. But I still hot the flu shot.

Like most who are not political slaves I weighed the benefits and risks of the vacvine against the risks of the virus and made an educated decision regarding my own health. Others did the sane and chose differently.

That you gravitate to viewing these decisions as caving in or fear speaks to how you view the issue. You are projecting your fears and political enslavement onto others.

For most of us fear and politics had nothing to do with it.

 

[Two Wings]

Answer was it was a directive to the airlines

what folks forget ... or overlook ... and it's right there in the conditions of carriage when you buy the ticket and then board the aircraft ... you're no longer in a democracy. No longer in a constitutional republic. Federal Law requires the compliance with crew instructions. One person has full responsibility and full authority over everything and everyone related to that aircraft.

Benevolent dictator is the type of government. Now given the business is service, it's helpful to be helpful ... but when the instruction is given, it needs to be followed. Romans 13 comes to mind, right?

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As far as the mask policy/rule/edict ... well ... (you) agreed to "properly" wear a qualifying face covering for the duration of the period you are aboard the aircraft. Are you gonna do what you said you were gonna do ... or not?

Maritime rules in aviation, too. My advice is to abstain from poking the bear on the airplane. Do/say whatever you want on the jetbridge, in the terminal, parking garage, whatever. When you step foot on that airplane, behave.

 

[JonC]

And that's who you follow. Joe says mask up and get jabbed.

No. Trump said to get vaccinated. I don't wear a mask except at work (because it is required).

But unlike you I am not enslaved by politics. I would not trust Trump or Biden with my health. Neither are qualified.

 

[just-want-peace]

During WW II many items were rationed -ie Gas, rubber, some foods, ect.
When the war was over - the rationing ended.
Lets trust the same will happen when the Chinesee Virus is no longer a major threat.

But going back to masks- provisions must be made for those who do have medical issues.

Should this present administration have been in power at that time, I very strongly suspect that the absolute best we could have fared would be a slim to none reduction of the rationing. They are not going to release control via covid without being voted out of office. (Or find another “crisis” that serves the same purpose)
Usually agree with you Salty, but not on this issue.

 

[just-want-peace]

Perhaps we should trust Scripture even in times like these.

Rather than fighting to demonize vaccinated people, or strip away the freedoms our nation has afforded men, maybe your efforts would be best spent making your own decisions rather than trying to decide for others and being content with the life of a sheep serving one Shepard.

Substitute UNVACCINATED for VACCINATED above and I agree with your acessement.

 

[Reynolds]

No. Trump said to get vaccinated. I don't wear a mask except at work (because it is required).

But unlike you I am not enslaved by politics. I would not trust Trump or Biden with my health. Neither are qualified.

I didn't obey Trump, but you are obeying Joe.
You obeyed Joe and got Jabbed so you could quit wearing a mask at work.
Now you obeying Joe and wearing the mask again.

 

[Salty]

I didn't obey Trump, but you are obeying Joe.
You obeyed Joe and got Jabbed so you could quit wearing a mask at work.
Now you obeying Joe and wearing the mask again.

Or is it the requirement of the business owner?