They seem to deny the PST, and have salvation same way church of Rome does, thru sacramental grace system!
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HeirofSalvation wrote,
The Scriptures teach that sin is the "transgression of the law".
1Jo 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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*** Christ sacrificed Himself once for all time for the penalty of all our transgressions, Past, Present, and Future. See Heb Chp 7,9,10.
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Calvinists ignore the Scriptural data on that point and define sin as a disease that infects persons.
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*** Sin is not a “disease.” It is the intentional and unintentional actions of man that reveal his corrupt nature. The believer has an old nature and a new nature. These battle for control of the believer’s mind and affections. Gal 5 Rom 7.
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*** Paul was the first to teach "Calvinism." He was no Gnostic!
The Scriptures teach that sin is the "transgression of the law".
1Jo 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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*** Christ sacrificed Himself once for all time for the penalty of all our transgressions, Past, Present, and Future. See Heb Chp 7,9,10.
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Calvinists ignore the Scriptural data on that point and define sin as a disease that infects persons.
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*** Sin is not a “disease.” It is the intentional and unintentional actions of man that reveal his corrupt nature. The believer has an old nature and a new nature. These battle for control of the believer’s mind and affections. Gal 5 Rom 7.
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*** Paul was the first to teach "Calvinism." He was no Gnostic!
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Actually, Jesus Himself was pretty Calvinistic in explaining how salvation works in the Gospel of John!
If Jesus was a Calvinist he wouldn't explain anything. If you think salvation comes from drinking soup from a bottle it would be just as useful, Since all salvation depends on the divine lottery of a god. Luck.
utilyan wrote,
If Jesus was a Calvinist he wouldn't explain anything.
Calvin also relied on Paul. Where did Paul get it from?...Jesus explained it to him
in the desert after he was saved!
If you think salvation comes from drinking soup from a bottle it would be just as useful, Since all salvation depends on the divine lottery of a god. Luck.
Is that how you got your salvation, from a bottle, with a little "luck"?
If Jesus was a Calvinist he wouldn't explain anything.
Calvin also relied on Paul. Where did Paul get it from?...Jesus explained it to him
in the desert after he was saved!
If you think salvation comes from drinking soup from a bottle it would be just as useful, Since all salvation depends on the divine lottery of a god. Luck.
Is that how you got your salvation, from a bottle, with a little "luck"?
utilyan wrote,
If Jesus was a Calvinist he wouldn't explain anything.
Calvin also relied on Paul. Where did Paul get it from?...Jesus explained it to him
in the desert after he was saved!
If you think salvation comes from drinking soup from a bottle it would be just as useful, Since all salvation depends on the divine lottery of a god. Luck.
Is that how you got your salvation, from a bottle, with a little "luck"?
If I were a Calvinist, And i wasn't too sure if you were elect.
I know there is nothing you can do to better or hurt your chances of being elect no matter how badly you agree or disagree with me.
EVEN IF YOU AGREE TOTALLY with me, that doesn't do anything.
There is nothing YOU can do about it and there is nothing I can do about it concering our salvation.
100% on God.
I would pray God please save Davis. And just tell you to have a great day.
So if your an elect Calvinist....... hook me up! pray and request God to save Utilyan!
Weather Arminian or Calvinist I have no idea but I do hope everyone on this board are Christian?... Brother Glen
Good or bad weather? Or is it whether, Brother Glen?
If a terrorist shoots the guy next to you and decides not to kill you, that does not mean the terrorist saved you.
You can sugar coat evil with all the holiest of titles, paints and frosting. It is what it is.
Good or bad weather? Or is it whether, Brother Glen?
That's a good question SG?... Sometime when I come here I don't know if it going to be nice weather or bad weather, get my drift... We can have a calm discussion, that my sometimes turn into a hurricane, tornado, monsoon or tsunami... All I can say is when you come over here whether you like it or not prepare for the changing weather of the CA Forum... I know how it changes!... Brother Glen the Weather Man
SheepWhisperer
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If I were a Calvinist, And i wasn't too sure if you were elect.
I know there is nothing you can do to better or hurt your chances of being elect no matter how badly you agree or disagree with me.
EVEN IF YOU AGREE TOTALLY with me, that doesn't do anything.
There is nothing YOU can do about it and there is nothing I can do about it concering our salvation.
100% on God.
I would pray God please save Davis. And just tell you to have a great day.
So if your an elect Calvinist....... hook me up! pray and request God to save Utilyan!
It wouldn't do any good if your aren't predetermined from before the foundation of the world. Too bad, bro. (of course i don't believe that nonsense.)
No, salvation depends upon the Will of a loving God, who sent His own Son to die for sins of reprobates like you and me!
SheepWhisperer
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.......whose WILL is that none should perish and all should come to repentance,
...pray and request God to save Utilyan!
Don’t you believe you must do good works to be saved?
But this way of salvation is all about you!
Calvinism is all about God. Our hope is in the Word. It is visible. Don't you read it every day?
Don’t you believe you must do good works to be saved?
But this way of salvation is all about you!
Calvinism is all about God. Our hope is in the Word. It is visible. Don't you read it every day?
Show me which part of God's will is not a good work.
"Calvinism is all about God. "
What part of prioritizing God is not a good work?
"Our hope is in the Word."
If you believe you are elect there is no hope.
Romans 8
24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?
Answer the man. Hope that is seen is >>NOT<< Hope. Who hopes for what he already sees?
Utilyan wrote,
>Show me which part of God's will is not a good work.
God always does perfect works. His Will is perfect.
You must do good works to be saved. (According to your psuedo-Arminian views.)
"Calvinism is all about God. "
>What part of prioritizing God is not a good work?
No one prioritizes God! You must prioritize your good works to secure salvation.
Our hope is in the Word.This hope is visible! But apparently you don't read enough of it to see this!
>If you believe you are elect there is no hope.
By no means! God calls me elect. Do you know more than He?
>Romans 8
>24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?
>Answer the man. Hope that is seen is >>NOT<< Hope. Who hopes for what he already sees?
I don't have to answer Paul--You quote him out of context!
>Show me which part of God's will is not a good work.
God always does perfect works. His Will is perfect.
You must do good works to be saved. (According to your psuedo-Arminian views.)
"Calvinism is all about God. "
>What part of prioritizing God is not a good work?
No one prioritizes God! You must prioritize your good works to secure salvation.
Our hope is in the Word.This hope is visible! But apparently you don't read enough of it to see this!
>If you believe you are elect there is no hope.
By no means! God calls me elect. Do you know more than He?
>Romans 8
>24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?
>Answer the man. Hope that is seen is >>NOT<< Hope. Who hopes for what he already sees?
I don't have to answer Paul--You quote him out of context!
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Desire is not same as will!
Repair the context then. Who is he challenging?
"You must prioritize your good works to secure salvation."
Nope, I do good works for free. God can keep the salvation.
Not everyone is a gold digger.
"By no means! God calls me elect. Do you know more than He?"
Oh yeah? You are a prophet now! What did he say?
Scripture says we need to test you out:
(i'd shove the whole chapter of 1 John 4)
1 john 4
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4
7Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.10In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1 John 4
20If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.
If a child you don't know ask "Does God love me?" whats the answer?
Does God love every child on earth?
Keep this line in mind: 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Name one Desire of God that is not God's Will.