For Whom Did Christ Die?... By John Owen

[kyredneck]

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

The ones He called are in Vs 9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus` sake.
6 Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4

 

[Van]

For all the seed, the many Matt 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

And in case you dont know, the word ransom is the greek word lytron:

to liberate many from the misery and penalty of their sins,

So thats the blessing received for all whom He was a Ransom for.

We know all without exception havent been liberated from the misery and penalty of their sins, so His Ransom was limited to only them who are.

Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, not for only some. Everyone who receives everlasting life through believing into Him becomes our Lord's "seed."

You indicated salvation through faith and election for salvation through faith removed grace from salvation, an obvious fallacy. See Romans 4:16.
A ransom for many means the same as a ransom for all, unless you claim God made a mistake when He inspired those verses.

 

[Van]

I know grace is a gift from God, duh

But you indicated a salvation by grace through faith removed grace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Brightfame52]

That's a good verse. Both aspects are illustrated. The word to some is offensive and they are disobedient to it. Those are people who are not elect. So if someone were to say to you that they worry that they might not be elect. What do you tell them? "Yep. You may not be and if that's the case then sorry about your luck." Of course not. You tell them like Owen did, that Christ has made everything ready for them and if they will repent and believe they will be saved. They will indeed and in truth are "elect" if they do.

The difference between a semi-Pelagian and a Calvinist is that the semi-Pelagian believes that when I say they are elect if they do repent and believe - they believe that all the universe waits to see what their decision will be. The Calvinist believes that the elect really are the ones who will repent and believe - yet, and this is the most important part, the elect really and truly must,(and will) repent and believe.

Within that framework we all have to figure out some concept of how this works in our own individual minds. Plenty of people leave it that you must make the final decision and therefore it indeed is up to you. Then there are various beliefs about how much the Holy Spirit works and convicts and convinces and leads to faith or gives faith and whether this can be resisted. Those that lean toward the decisive factor being the work of the Holy Spirit would include 5 point Calvinists like Owen all the way to 4 point Calvinists or "moderate" Calvinists like J.C. Ryle or Ware, or any Baptist or Evangelical preacher who warns in his preaching not to trifle with the Holy Spirit because you can't come unless he calls and this call is personal and not in your control.

We can have differences in our background theology and yet there still be a lot of overlap in actual preaching and practice. Or, we can be so unable to balance scripture that we go extreme and unscriptural one way or the other. In my opinion, Owen, and Ryle and all the Puritans and Edwards and Bonar and Spurgeon and Baxter and Wesley were all within this range and any good Baptist, Calvinist or not, can get a lot of good out of any of those guys. If you are not a Calvinist, or even if you hate Calvinism, I promise you a great blessing if you read the sermons of any of those guys.

So God doesnt invite/call none but the chosen. The word called in 1 Pet 2:9 is the greek word kaleō:

1. to call
   
   
   1. to call aloud, utter in a loud voice
      
      
   2. to invite
      

So that Call/invite is strictly to the chosen generation 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

God doesnt call invite the reprobate to salvation, God isn't a doubleminded schizophrenic

BTW stop following men friend, but the word of God. Its fine to read those guys, but you shouldn't follow them no further than they preach the word

 

[Brightfame52]

4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus` sake.
6 Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4

Vs 6 is the effectual call, when God shines in our heart to give the light, its as powerful as when He said in the beginning Gen 1:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, not for only some. Everyone who receives everlasting life through believing into Him becomes our Lord's "seed."

You indicated salvation through faith and election for salvation through faith removed grace from salvation, an obvious fallacy. See Romans 4:16.
A ransom for many means the same as a ransom for all, unless you claim God made a mistake when He inspired those verses.

lol, You dont know what you talking about, you make your mouth say anything friend.

 

[Brightfame52]

But you indicated a salvation by grace through faith removed grace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See you dont know what you talking about, and I dont either.

 

[37818]

Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called, but few are elect. . . ." called κλητοὶ, elect ἐκλεκτοί.

 

[Van]

Here is the false doctrine, Salvation is by grace but not through faith.
Here is the Biblical doctrine, Salvation is by grace through faith.
Here is the false doctrine, Election for salvation is through or on the basis of faith.
Here is the Biblical doctrine, Election for salvation is through faith in the truth.
Here is the false doctrine, Christ died only as a ransom for those already chosen individually for salvation.
Here is the Biblical doctrine, Christ died as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

The redeemed are the ransomed. The ransomed are the redeemed.

Have you ever sung Man Of Sorrows.

Part of it goes :
When He comes, our glorious King,
All His ransomed home to bring,
Then anew this song we'll sing :
Hallelujah, what a Savior!

Have you ever sung I will Sing Of My Redeemer.

Part of it goes :

I will tell the wonderous story, How my lost estate to save,
in His boundless love and mercy, He the ransom freely gave.

Sing, O sing of my redeemer!
With His blood He purchased me,
On the cross he sealed my pardon,
Paid the debt and made me free.

 

[Brightfame52]

Only a certain, definite people were purposed and promised to be redeemed, Israel Elect Lk 1:68-70

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

 

[37818]

So that Call/invite is strictly to the chosen generation 1 Pet 2:9

The chosen are not the only one's called.
The true limitation needs to be understood.
1 Peter 2:9, ". . . But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the virtues of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: . . ."
Because in Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ."

 

[Brightfame52]

The chosen are not the only one's called.
The true limitation needs to be understood.
1 Peter 2:9, ". . . But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the virtues of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: . . ."
Because in Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ."

Yes they are when its Salvation involved.

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ died specifically for His Body the Church, not all mankind Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

 

[37818]

Christ died specifically for His Body the Church, not all mankind Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Before most of them were any part of His church, Romams 5:6-8, ". . . For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. . . ."

 

[37818]

Yes they are when its Salvation involved.

But Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called . . . " is not universalism!

 

[Brightfame52]

Before most of them were any part of His church, Romams 5:6-8, ". . . For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. . . ."

Again Christ died specifically for His Church Eph 5:25

 

[Brightfame52]

But Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called . . . " is not universalism!

Only the elect, Chosen are called in regard to Salvation

 

[37818]

Only the elect, Chosen are called in regard to Salvation

Not according to Jesus, Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ." Few are elect.

 

[tyndale1946]

Not according to Jesus, Matthew 22:14, ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ." Few are elect.

Christ laid his life down for HIS people, I don't worrying about who HIS people are, they are the ones HIS FATHER GAVE HIM TO SAVE ETERNALLY... If he didn't save ALL HIS FATHER gave him... HE FAILED!... No bones about it... He's in the ETERNAL SALVATION business, I'm not and neither are you... Those who think few are chosen better shine up your tainted halo hoping you're one of the few... Brethren look at the TRUE ELECT OF GOD!

Revelation 7: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

I believe in GOD'S TRUE ELECTION!... What do you believe?... Brother Glen