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Forget the KJB. Is there any version that you believe is perfect?

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Yeshua1

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Reformed1689 said:
Actually you are misrepresenting me. I did not focus on the KJV at all in my post. And I NEVER ONCE said I do not believe the Word of God. That was not the question that you asked.

You are twisting things, taking things out of context, and you somehow have this notion that translations are inspired. They aren't. God directly told the translators what to write? Do you believe that?

You should read some articles about the KJV Translators Preface to the Reader: What a 400-Year-Old Bible Preface Can Teach Us about Translations | The Logos Blog

They did not hold as high a view of their work as you hold. They admit they were not inspired nor infallible. Only the original authors were.

We can be reasonably sure that we know what the originals said and intended. Do we know with 100% certainty that we have the 100% exact reading of the originals? Of course not. That does not equate not believing the Word of God. Rather, it shows that we have great faith that God has preserved His message to us.
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No One actually believed in a perfect translation and that was inspired as such until, the KJVO!
 
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Reformed1689 said:
Do we know with 100% certainty that we have the 100% exact reading of the originals? Of course not. That does not equate not believing the Word of God.
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It certainly does equate to that. Just saying it doesn't, doesn't magically make it so.

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They did not hold as high a view of their work as you hold. They admit they were not inspired nor infallible. Only the original authors were.
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That was already addressed in the thread briefly. Begin a thread for that if you wish.
 
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George Antonios said:
It certainly does equate to that. Just saying it doesn't, doesn't magically make it so.
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Correct, just saying it doesn't make it so. So please explain how my position, the realistic position, amounts to me not believing the Word of God?

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That was already addressed in the thread briefly. Begin a thread for that if you wish.
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It's on topic in this thread George. You are dodging the issue.
 
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Dave G said:
Then you really don't have something that is trustworthy and infallible ( without error ), do you?

I've highlighted what I agree with...
To me, the originals were the only ones that God "dictated" to His apostles and prophets.
All Scripture is "God-breathed" by the Holy Spirit ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17, 2 Peter 1:21 ).

So, I agree with you( at least in principle ), on part of what you said.
As for the first ( the inerrancy part ), it seems to me that you're admitting that you cannot hold in your hands the actual inspired and inerrant word of God, since the originals are long turned to dust.

As it stands, if you are completely unable to trust any translation and any manuscript in existence to be the 100% accurate and faithful word of the living God...
Then you have no Bible, do you?

Do you see the road you're going down, my friend?
Do you see where it leads, when one believes that it all stopped with the originals, and that God did not providentially preserve His words for ( and make them accessible to ) His people down through the centuries?

The foundations for the faith get eroded right out from under the believer, don't they?

Instead of gaining comfort from words that were written for them ( Romans 15:4 ),
they are now told, by men, that those words might not have been written for them at all.
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Is the kjv equal then to the Hebrew and Greek texts ?
 
George Antonios

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Reformed1689 said:
Correct, just saying it doesn't make it so. So please explain how my position, the realistic position, amounts to me not believing the Word of God?

It's on topic in this thread George. You are dodging the issue.
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No, the OP specifically said it's not about the KJB. What the KJB translators thought is therefore beyond this thread.
 
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2Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Note something not inspired but added by mistake or intent, does not nullify the usefulness of available copies of scripture. And note that the copies used by Jesus and His apostles and disciples were not "perfect" but were trustworthy and reliable for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness.
 
George Antonios

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Van said:
And note that the copies used by Jesus and His apostles and disciples were not "perfect"
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Really? Please enlighten us on how you know that.

This is a case of bringing down the Lord to your level of unbelief.

Imagine the Lord Jesus Christ walking around saying the copy of Isaiah he read in the synagogue was "not perfect".

You gentlemen have lost your minds over this issue.
 
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George Antonios said:
Really? Please enlighten us on how you know that.

This is a case of bringing down the Lord to your level of unbelief.
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How dare you change the subject to me, you phony false teacher. The KJV is not perfect, it is riddled with errors.
Since the LXX differs from the KJV, which you claim is perfect, then the LXX contained errors.
 
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