Forty One Years and Fifty Five Million

[OldRegular]

It has been 41 years since the seven black robed men of the US Supreme Court pronounced the death sentence on the most innocent of humans, Since that time over 55 million unborn babies have been slaughtered for the convenience of the woman and the profit of the abortionist; an average of more than 3600 babies each day!.

In 2012 the horror of abortion was celebrated at the democrat national convention which renominated the most rabid abortion advocate in public life, Barak Hussein Obama. Last year this horror was amplified in the trial of one Kermit Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortionist.

By Ryan Bomberger, Chief Creative Officer of The Radiance Foundation

Abortion activists worship abortion. It is sacred to them. Nothing on earth, according to the faithful, should ever desecrate the “holy ground” upon which this ritual is performed over 1,000 times a day. Even if that ground is soaked with the blood of women killed and maimed and babies brutally murdered after being born alive.

That was Philadelphia’s “House of Horrors”, run by millionaire abortionist Kermit Gosnell. For 17 years his unimaginably squalid clinic went uninspected by state officials. Nestled in a community surrounded by churches, colleges and next door to an elementary school, the innocuously named “Women’s Medical Society” was a cesspool of filth, blood-stained equipment, crumbling walls, and body parts in jars, bags and bottles.

Gosnell proudly displayed jars of severed babies’ feet as trophies.

The Philadelphia District Attorney, R. Seth Williams (who is a Democrat), in a nearly 300 page Grand Jury Report details Gosnell’s “House of Horrors” on 3801 Lancaster in Philadelphia. “My comprehension of the English language can’t adequately describe the barbaric nature of Dr. Gosnell,” D.A. Williams said of the unspeakable conditions of the clinic that was inspected by the pro-abortion National Abortion Federation in recent years but never reported to authorities.

The best reporting on this is actually by a team of creative professionals from Pennsylvania who captured this gruesome story in one of the best issue-oriented documentaries I’ve ever seen: 3801 Lancaster (see video at bottom of article).

And as if murdering babies born alive (by severing their spinal cords with scissors) wasn’t enough, Gosnell, who is black, made sure that his white “patients” were placed in the cleaner rooms while all others were placed in the filthy rooms. This way, according to the Grand Jury Report, it would be less likely that the white women would report the abortionist or the foul clinic.

http://www.toomanyaborted.com/Gosnell/

There are some on this Forum who support abortion because they support the party of death, the democrat party. They will insist otherwise!

Some may think this belongs on the Politics Forum, but the slaughter of unborn children is a religious and moral issue. Too many professing Christians have remained mute for 41 years either because they approve or simply don't care.

 

[quantumfaith]

I am appalled at the level of abortion in our country and world. I don't see how it could be anything other than morally wrong. However, living in a pluralistic and not a theocratic social order, I must force myself to settle for some things I find detestable. I, if I could make the rules, permit abortion only in cases of rape, incest and life of mother. I also think, our federal government has "usurped" WAY too much power over the states. Issues (hot button) like abortion should be left to each state. Abortion as a means of birth control, or birth selection and especially late term procedures should be illegal in my opinion.

 

[Salty]

I voted: a woman has a right over her body

BUT she has no MORAL right over the body of her soon to be born child.


When someone gives me that silly EXCUSE about a right over her body -

I state - I AM SO GLAD YOU ARE AGAINST THE SEAT BELT LAW!!!

 

[OldRegular]

I voted: a woman has a right over her body

BUT she has no MORAL right over the body of her soon to be born child.


When someone gives me that silly EXCUSE about a right over her body -

I state - I AM SO GLAD YOU ARE AGAINST THE SEAT BELT LAW!!!

The baby is a totally different person that the mother! I would suggest that anyone who is interested read the following short articles published in "Acts and Facts" a publication of the Institute for Creation Research. It is really fascinating!

Made in His Image: Human Gestation by Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D.

From: http://www.icr.org/article/made-his-image-human-gestation/

 

[OldRegular]

At this point in time 32 people have viewed this thread but only 6 have voted in the poll. This demonstrates what I said in the OP:

Too many professing Christians have remained mute for 41 years either because they approve or simply don't care.

That is very sad!

 

[Salty]

The baby is a totally different person that the mother! /

I agree 100% !!!

At this point in time 32 people have viewed this thread but only 6 have voted in the poll. This demonstrates what I said in the OP:


That is very sad!

Is it possible that of those 32 views - that would include multiple views by the same folks?

But over all - you are correct - it is sad -

When you remain silent - you have spoken

 

[OldRegular]

When you remain silent - you have spoken

At this point 112 have visited but only 15 expressed their opinion in the poll. That is very sad!

 

[OldRegular]

Is it possible that of those 32 views - that would include multiple views by the same folks?

I don't believe so. I have visited more than once, obviously, but the count does not go up. Possibly that is only for the originator of the thread. You might check me out.

One visitor has no problem with abortion. Frankly I do not understand how a "follower of Jesus Christ" can tolerate the slaughter of 55,000,000+ and increasing by ~3,600 each day! But then I do not understand why so many will not express their belief about this needless slaughter.

 

[OldRegular]

My wife and I are the parents of three children. Two are adopted, the last in 1969 only 4 years before Roe v Wade. Each of our children have given us two wonderful grandchildren who have made growing old not only bearable but a pleasure. It is a sad fact that after that terrible decision by 7 black robed men adoption has been difficult if not impossible.

This past Sunday, at the age of almost 83, I held my first Great Grandchild, a little girl, only 12 hours old. I looked at her, with tears in my eyes, and wondered how anyone, especially a professing Christian, could condone the slaughter of these babies. But they do and some denominations have strongly endorsed abortion just as they have the homosexual life style.

The Roman Catholic Communion gets a lot of grief on this Forum but they have taken a strong stand from the beginning against abortion, though many RCC politicians are rabid abortion supporters. The development of a pro life stance in the SBC developed slowly:

Resolution On Abortion, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1971:

WHEREAS, Christians in the American society today are faced with difficult decisions about abortion; and
WHEREAS, Some advocate that there be no abortion legislation, thus making the decision a purely private matter between a woman and her doctor; and
WHEREAS, Others advocate no legal abortion, or would permit abortion only if the life of the mother is threatened;
Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that this Convention express the belief that society has a responsibility to affirm through the laws of the state a high view of the sanctity of human life, including fetal life, in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves; and
Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.

Resolution On Abortion And Sanctity Of Human Life, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1974:

WHEREAS, Southern Baptists have historically held a high view of the sanctity of human life, and
WHEREAS, The messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in St. Louis in 1971 adopted overwhelmingly a resolution on abortion, and
WHEREAS, That resolution reflected a middle ground between the extreme of abortion on demand and the opposite extreme of all abortion as murder, and
WHEREAS, That resolution dealt responsibly from a Christian perspective with complexities of abortion problems in contemporary society;
Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that we reaffirm the resolution on the subject adopted by the messengers to the St. Louis Southern Baptist Convention meeting in 1971, and
Be it further RESOLVED, that we continue to seek God's guidance through prayer and study in order to bring about solutions to continuing abortion problems in our society.

Resolution On Abortion, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1976:

WHEREAS, Southern Baptists have historically held a biblical view of the sanctity of human life, and
WHEREAS, Abortion is a very serious moral and spiritual problem of continuing concern to the American people, and
WHEREAS, Christians have a responsibility to deal with all moral and spiritual issues which affect society, including the problems of abortion, and
WHEREAS, The practice of abortion for selfish non-therapeutic reasons want-only destroys fetal life, dulls our society's moral sensitivity, and leads to a cheapening of all human life, and
WHEREAS, Every decision for an abortion, for whatever reason must necessarily involve the decision to terminate the life of an innocent human being.
Therefore be it RESOLVED, that the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Norfolk in June 1976 reaffirm the biblical sacredness and dignity of all human life, including fetal life, and
Be it further RESOLVED, that we call on Southern Baptists and all citizens of the nation to work to change those attitudes and conditions which encourage many people to turn to abortion as a means of birth control, and
Be it further RESOLVED, that in the best interest of our society, we reject any indiscriminate attitude toward abortion, as contrary to the biblical view, and
Be it further RESOLVED, that we also affirm our conviction about the limited role of government in dealing with matters relating to abortion, and support the right of expectant mothers to the full range of medical services and personal counseling for the preservation of life and health.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/baptist/sbcabres.html

 

[OldRegular]

134 people have viewed the thread yet only 17 have voted in the poll. That is very sad and I believe typifies the view of many professing Christians. They simply don't care.

Havensdad has a new thread: New Documentary: Babies are Murdered Here. It is murder folks. Actually murder is not adequate to describe the late term abortions. Slaughter is more descriptive and correct. If animals were treated this way people would be up in arms! It is very sad! Take a look "brothers and sisters" and the person who has no problem with abortion!

http://www.christiangallery.com/smdead.html

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/

http://www.toomanyaborted.com

I challenge any Christian on this Forum to examine the Grand Jury report on the abortionist Gosnell, identified in the OP.

http://www.toomanyaborted.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GrandJuryWomensMedical.pdf

 

[Amy.G]

I, if I could make the rules, permit abortion only in cases of rape, incest and life of mother.

I'll probably be pounded for saying this but I don't believe abortion is ok if rape or incest is involved. That child is still a child and murdering him is still murder.

 

[just-want-peace]

I'll probably be pounded for saying this but I don't believe abortion is ok if rape or incest is involved. That child is still a child and murdering him is still murder.

I'm with you; acceptable only in extremely rare circumstances

 

[OldRegular]

I'll probably be pounded for saying this but I don't believe abortion is ok if rape or incest is involved. That child is still a child and murdering him is still murder.

I agree Amy and God Bless you!

The child is still a child and had absolutely nothing to do with their conception. Also it is a medical fact that it is extremely rare for a mother's life to be endangered by pregnancy these days. However, I do appreciate very much quantumfaith's response. He and I often disagree but he always responds as a gentle Christian, something I do not always do.

Sadly most on this "Baptist" Forum will not even participate in the poll

 

[Thousand Hills]

I'll probably be pounded for saying this but I don't believe abortion is ok if rape or incest is involved. That child is still a child and murdering him is still murder.

To pull a page from QF's playbook

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

Don't know if its been posted here or not, but here is an interesting story about Auburn's 2013 Homecoming Queen:

http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2013/10/auburns_100th_homecoming_queen.html

 

[Amy.G]

However, I do appreciate very much quantumfaith's response. He and I often disagree but he always responds as a gentle Christian, something I do not always do.

Yes he does. He is always gracious.

 

[Jon-Marc]

Abortion is just legalized murder, although I think it should be legal ONLY in the case of rape and if the woman's life could be lost if she carries the baby to term.

 

[Yeshua1]

It has been 41 years since the seven black robed men of the US Supreme Court pronounced the death sentence on the most innocent of humans, Since that time over 55 million unborn babies have been slaughtered for the convenience of the woman and the profit of the abortionist; an average of more than 3600 babies each day!.

In 2012 the horror of abortion was celebrated at the democrat national convention which renominated the most rabid abortion advocate in public life, Barak Hussein Obama. Last year this horror was amplified in the trial of one Kermit Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortionist.



There are some on this Forum who support abortion because they support the party of death, the democrat party. They will insist otherwise!

Some may think this belongs on the Politics Forum, but the slaughter of unborn children is a religious and moral issue. Too many professing Christians have remained mute for 41 years either because they approve or simply don't care.

We were founded as a Republic, and as such, this issue should NEVER have been decided by the SC, but Congress should have had it debated and settled at state level, per a republic, the citixens of each state would vore and decide what abortion woulod be allowed, if at all!

IF roe v wade was ever overturned by SC, would NOT eliminate abortion, but would have the issue decided by each state!

 

[Amy.G]

Rape is a horrible thing. But why is it not murder to abort a baby whose mother was raped?

 

[saturneptune]

We were founded as a Republic, and as such, this issue should NEVER have been decided by the SC, but Congress should have had it debated and settled at state level, per a republic, the citixens of each state would vore and decide what abortion woulod be allowed, if at all!

IF roe v wade was ever overturned by SC, would NOT eliminate abortion, but would have the issue decided by each state!

No, it would not stop it, but it would reduce it. States like the one I live in and to the South would outlaw it, and if one wants to kill their child, take it to a state that has no respect for life. They can either travel west to the coast or to the northeast.

 

[saturneptune]

I'll probably be pounded for saying this but I don't believe abortion is ok if rape or incest is involved. That child is still a child and murdering him is still murder.

I agree with you as a final goal, but I would be for any law or court ruling that reduced the rate of abortion, no matter what form. We can go back later and change the law to reduce it further.