Frantic parents separated from their kids fill courts on the border

[HankD]

They are declaring asylum from violence in their country. Being half Italian, you should recognize the name called to many of them who snuck into the country "Without Papers" . it's a pejorative but one somewhat based in fact....but not only Italians.

Yes, I am also part Jewish and that would have put me in an even worst situation, had I lived in the Third Reich in the 30's I would have qualified for "neutralization".

To risk death by coming across thousands of miles of alternative jungle and desert terrain, possible starvation, dying from thirst or heat exhaustion, the possibility of molestation by criminals and perverts, kidnap of one's children by traffickers ? No - the question "what if they can't?" is nonsense. Add to that the cost of the coyote (who may be a trafficker as well and/or abandon the customer) and its not a worthy question.

 

[Adonia]

And what if they can't?

What do you mean "can't"? Sure they can stay home. What us happening now is many of these people are claiming refuge because they are victims of domestic violence. I am sorry, but a husband beating up his wife is an issue for their respective countries Justice system, not a basis for entry into America as some sort of refugee.

The fact that gangs are also running wild in these Central American nations is not a good enough reason either. According to the appropriate international agreements, refuge is to be sought in the first country one enters after leaving their home countries and in the case of Central Americans that certainly isn't the United States..

 

[Adonia]

Breaking up families; incarcerating children in 100F tents in the desert, mistreating the poor and vulnerable in their hour of need., etc Hardly pro-life, or indeed pro-family.

Why do you not blame the parents who have put their children in these types of situations? They are the cause of this, the government is just reacting to what they have done in attempting to enter the country illegally. We must get the word out that the "catch and release" policy of the former administration is over.

We have a right to make sure our border is secure in order to start putting American citizens first. These people are costing us millions of dollars per year and at this point the nation is dead broke to the tune of 20 trillion dollars and we cannot doing this kind of stuff any longer. We cannot take in and support everyone who wants to come here.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, I am also part Jewish and that would have put me in an even worst situation, had I lived in the Third Reich in the 30's I would have qualified for "neutralization".

To risk death by coming across thousands of miles of alternative jungle and desert terrain, possible starvation, dying from thirst or heat exhaustion, the possibility of molestation by criminals and perverts, kidnap of one's children by traffickers ? No - the question "what if they can't?" is nonsense. Add to that the cost of the coyote (who may be a trafficker as well and/or abandon the customer) and its not a worthy question.

Sure it is....you are just not open to it. Many of these people from Honduras, Nicaragua & Guatemala are being terrorized where they live. They have been threatened. so you are telling them to stay put. Now I have no clue why they couldn't ask for Asylum in Mexico or Columbia or Argentina, I would have to sit with them but they are afraid of white men from the USA asking questions as it should be.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What do you mean "can't"? Sure they can stay home. What us happening now is many of these people are claiming refuge because they are victims of domestic violence. I am sorry, but a husband beating up his wife is an issue for their respective countries Justice system, not a basis for entry into America as some sort of refugee.

The fact that gangs are also running wild in these Central American nations is not a good enough reason either. According to the appropriate international agreements, refuge is to be sought in the first country one enters after leaving their home countries and in the case of Central Americans that certainly isn't the United States..

I heard two testimonies that sighted gang violence...Not domestic violence. But I must admit that I dont want anymore of them in my country either. Canada has stated they would take them so take them, try living in Saskatchewan.

 

[Reynolds]

Breaking up families; incarcerating children in 100F tents in the desert, mistreating the poor and vulnerable in their hour of need., etc Hardly pro-life, or indeed pro-family.

Trumps policy enforcement is pro life.

 

[Reynolds]

No, I want to leave children with their parents who are seeking asylum.

We don't leave children with incarcerated criminals in the USA. It is illegal to do so.

 

[HankD]

Sure it is....you are just not open to it. Many of these people from Honduras, Nicaragua & Guatemala are being terrorized where they live. They have been threatened. so you are telling them to stay put. Now I have no clue why they couldn't ask for Asylum in Mexico or Columbia or Argentina, I would have to sit with them but they are afraid of white men from the USA asking questions as it should be.

You have a clue, they want the give-away affluence of America's greatness.

Let them go to the American embassy and apply, less probable risk of death than thousands of miles of peril, and probably less cost and risk than hiring a coyote.

It's obvious Mexico doesn't want the CA illegal aliens because - well, why should they when they only need to get them to the US border and be off the hook themselves. Besides the Guatemalans are probably saying - Why should I go from the proverbial Frying Pan into the proverbial Fire by staying here in Mejico?

 

[Matt Black]

Then they have themselves to blame.

Great victim blaming by you. [Personal attack edited]

 

[Matt Black]

We don't leave children with incarcerated criminals in the USA. It is illegal to do so.

Which court has convicted them? And of what imprisonable offence?

 

[Matt Black]

What do you mean "can't"? Sure they can stay home. What us happening now is many of these people are claiming refuge because they are victims of domestic violence. I am sorry, but a husband beating up his wife is an issue for their respective countries Justice system, not a basis for entry into America as some sort of refugee.

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Sure they can stay home...and be condemned to death.

I am sickened by the [Personal attack edited] attitude displayed by some on this thread. American certainly can no longer call itself a Christian country if this is anything to go by!

 

[HankD]

Great victim blaming by you.[Personal attack edited]

Be irresponsible enough to take your little ones out into the perils of jungle, desert, criminals, traffickers..

"...whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap".

 

[Matt Black]

Why do you not blame the parents who have put their children in these types of situations? They are the cause of this, the government is just reacting to what they have done in attempting to enter the country illegally. We must get the word out that the "catch and release" policy of the former administration is over.

We have a right to make sure our border is secure in order to start putting American citizens first. These people are costing us millions of dollars per year and at this point the nation is dead broke to the tune of 20 trillion dollars and we cannot doing this kind of stuff any longer. We cannot take in and support everyone who wants to come here.

You're Catholic, right? Presumably you therefore feel yourself bound by the likes of Exsul Familia Nazarathana and other key Catholic social teaching documents on the subject...which are largely at odds with your opinion stated above

 

[Matt Black]

Be irresponsible enough to take your little ones out into the perils of jungle, desert, criminals, traffickers..

"...whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap".

Desperate enough, you mean. Be careful that your quote doesn't bite you [crude language edited].

 

[TCassidy]

with grandparents

So you would send them back to gang infested Guatemala to live with grandparents? How compassionate of you.

or other family members

So you would send them back to gang infested Guatemala to live with other family members? How compassionate of you.

foster carers

That is exactly what we are doing with them. They are in the holding area for only from 6 to 12 hours before being placed in foster care. And unlike GB, we place Spanish speaking children in Spanish speaking homes. Can you say the same?

We don't lock them up away from their parents.

So you put them in jail with the adult population?

When the parents are convicted of a felony, your point might carry weight, but that's not that case at your border.

So no person is ever in jail in GB unless they have been convicted of a felony? People charged with crimes are set free until after the trial? Please. You know better than that. Your hatred of the United States, and its people, is starting to affect your reasoning abilities.

 

[Matt Black]

So you would send them back to gang infested Guatemala to live with grandparents? How compassionate of you.

Nope: if they have extended family members already in the US, they should be placed with them

So you would send them back to gang infested Guatemala to live with other family members? How compassionate of you.

Ditto

So you put them in jail with the adult population?

No, we put them together in asylum centres whilst their claims are being processed. We don't split them up like this Republican 'pro-family' (yeah, right!) Administration.

So no person is ever in jail in GB unless they have been convicted of a felony?

It has to be an imprisonable offence

People charged with crimes are set free until after the trial?

Usually, unless there is good reason to remand in custody (charged with a violent offence, likely to re-offend, interfere with witnesses, etc), they are granted bail. We have this thing called a presumption of innocent until proven guilty, and that guides our judicial process. I thought you did too(?)

Please. You know better than that. Your hatred of the United States, and its people, is starting to affect your reasoning abilities.

You don't do patronising very well, do you? I don't hate Americans, just the values and attitudes that gave the world Trump; fortunately, less than half your population subscribe to that false creed.

 

[atpollard]

Which court has convicted them? And of what imprisonable offence?

They were captured by INS as non-US citizens living in the US without a proper Visa. They appeared before an INS Judge and were found guilty of the misdemeanor first offense. They REJECTED the offer of immediate deportation of them and their entire family. They applied for asylum. It will take more than a month to get an asylum hearing. The three options are to

1. house them in prison until their hearing (children are not allowed in prison).
2. release convicted criminals who will not show up for their hearing to continue to live in the US.
3. provide more housing for asylum seeking families (which Congress has not funded)

They do house a few thousand families together. The need far exceeds the available housing. Obama chose option 2 which led to a spike in illegal workers bringing children along. Trump chose option 1 in order to discourage the expectation of 'catch and release' if you drag a minor along on a journey that is mostly about finding work.

 

[HankD]

Sure they can stay home...and be condemned to death.

I am sickened by the unChristian attitude displayed by some on this thread. American certainly can no longer call itself a Christian country if this is anything to go by!

I hear you but - who said it is/was a Christian country? Do you?

its those of the "religion of peace" who make that claim.

Now, I personally am a Christian and have supported two children (girls) of different families in Central America through World Vision via a monthly pledge from 5 years old to 18 years old (yes, all their childhood and saw them educated with good jobs as adults) and I am currently working on a third and have made other donations and gifts of goats, chickens, well drilling projects, Christian school materials, etc, etc...

This was above and beyond my local church and supported missionary giving.

World Vision sees to material needs and relies on affiliated Christian local churches and Christian schools to supply the spiritual.
yes they also connected my children with CARE and government agencies which would otherwise have been inaccessible to my girls.

if every Christian did this then there would be no need whatsoever for these families to flee.

So, yes I hear you and have acted upon my Christian sensibilities - however, from long before you brought it to my attention.

BTW, I know that others here at the BB have done the same and more.

 

[TCassidy]

Nope: if they have extended family members already in the US, they should be placed with them

Once again you display your ignorance of US immigration law. If they have a family member legally in the US they can enter legally. Try reading the Immigration Act of 1965 (Hart-Celler Act) -- and the Immigration Act of 1990 which raised the cap.

Ditto

And yet again.

We don't split them up like this Republican 'pro-family' (yeah, right!) Administration.

You mean the Obama law?

It has to be an imprisonable offence

As illegal immigration is. As human trafficing is. As child stealing is. As child molestation is.

Usually, unless there is good reason to remand in custody (charged with a violent offence, likely to re-offend, interfere with witnesses, etc), they are granted bail.

They were given the opportunity to be released but rejected it in favor of their asylum claim. That takes about a month to get their court date. There are three options according to US immigration law.

Keep them in the holding facility until their court date. According to US law, children under 14 cannot be incarcerated for immigration crimes. In fact, children under 14 don't even have to be naturalized. When a parent becomes a US citizen, all children under 14 automatically become US citizens.

As such facilities are insufficient for the huge influx of illegals (triggered by the Obama administrations orders to CBP to not enforce immigration law) and thus there is no room to house children. The private sector has been building such housing facilities but most of them are not yet ready to receive residents. But, of course, the Democrats are trying to stop these facilities being built because they would help solve the problem, which they don't want solved. They want people to be housed in substandard conditions so they can blame President Trump.

So, once again you have publicly displayed your ignorance of US immigration law and hatred of America and Americans.

 

[Matt Black]

I have done no such thing! I have told you already that I don't hate Americans.

You need to provide more facilities to house them together securely...as we do here