free will vs. election???????

[Thousand Hills]

Wow this thread has exploded, typical day on BB. :laugh:The OP Awaken asks a sincere question, not only does the thread totally turn into a CAL attack, but also there's some questionable teaching thrown in the mix that has nothing to do with the OP. Thanks to Willis, P4T, and Amy for pointing this out.

I'm not familiar with the term Millineal Exclusionist (Sp?). But below is the post where my gut told me something was a little off.

think upon this again--think if God concluded ALL under Sin(through 1 man's disobedience)he did so that he might have mercy upon ALL(through 1 man's obedience)its true God chooses some in each generation for his purpose and Glory to shine unto the world to see--but the Glorius truth is that through 1 man's obedience MANY(all) SHALL BE MADE righteous--either in this life or after death they will come through the FIRE in repentance unto Christ--others reject this truth--but the text is very clear that ALL SHALL BE MADE(Future tense statement that will be accomplished)RIGHTEOUS

So if I understand what HW is saying some will be elected to salvation initially, those sent to hell will eventually be saved somehow because hell is only temporary or there they see the need to repent. So in a way its a form of universalism????

 

[HisWitness]

Jonah, being a type of Christ, was not the express image. He being in the whale's belly for three days and three nights was a symbol of what Christ was to have to do later on. I quoted Matt. 12:40 before, and will do so again;

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


You need to brush up on the differences betwixt figurative and literal languages.....

are you blind brother ?

I am asking you to comment on the FOREVER word in that text and you willfully by pass it ? it is clearly not eternal in meaning or Jonah would not have gotten out in 3 days now would he ?

 

[convicted1]

If anyone believes sinners are punished after death for their sins, you have just swept grace under the rug.....

 

[HisWitness]

I do NOT reject the Lord's words!!! I reject YOURS!

Now please answer my question. If you believe what you do as truth, you should not have any problem admitting it openly.

well then deal with the words of the Lord himself--he said they would have the same portion as the unbelievers and be beaten with many stripes--when he came back and found them so doing ??

I believe what the Lord said himself

 

[quantumfaith]

That.........I'm aware of and I admit. I think the WORLD of AMY .............so much so, that I don't Patronize her, but rather I treat her as an equal....she has already smacked me down in this thread as someone who was posting in ignorance and she was right.....She corrected me when I was wrong.....and I admit it. What then is your point?

Here's the reality super-stud......."Amy" (not you) a woman (not you) was right enough, smart enough and Biblically sound enough to correct me when I was OBVIOUSLY mistaken and speaking foolishly........

You weren't half the man "Amy" was..........nor will you ever be...put it in your pipe and smoke it you arrogant ass.

Not worth it HoS...not worth the effort. Trust me on this.

 

[Amy.G]

Wow this thread has exploded, typical day on BB. :laugh:The OP Awaken asks a sincere question, not only does the thread totally turn into a CAL attack, but also there's some questionable teaching thrown in the mix that has nothing to do with the OP. Thanks to Willis, P4T, and Amy for pointing this out.

I'm not familiar with the term Millineal Exclusionist (Sp?). But below is the post where my gut told me something was a little off.



So if I understand what HW is saying some will be elected to salvation initially, those sent to hell will eventually be saved somehow because hell is only temporary or there they see the need to repent. So in a way its a form of universalism????

I don't think it's universalism. It's more akin to the teaching of purgatory. The people who are cast into outer darkness are saints, not unbelievers. There they are punished for their disobedience while on earth. This belief completely rejects the sufficiency of Christ's atonement and power to save to the uttermost. It has believers thrown into hell. It's a terrible doctrine!

And my apologies to awaken.

 

[HisWitness]

I do NOT reject the Lord's words!!! I reject YOURS!

Now please answer my question. If you believe what you do as truth, you should not have any problem admitting it openly.

answer this amy--does FOREVER in the Jonah text I gave mean Eternal ??

 

[convicted1]

are you blind brother ?

I am asking you to comment on the FOREVER word in that text and you willfully by pass it ? it is clearly not eternal in meaning or Jonah would not have gotten out in 3 days now would he ?

Brush up on figurative language skills and then we can talk.


Jesus said except we eat of His flesh and drink of His blood, we have no life in us. If that's literal just like the Jonah 2:6, explain how we are alive in Him, since none of us are cannibals.....

 

[HisWitness]

I don't think it's universalism. It's more akin to the teaching of purgatory. The people who are cast into outer darkness are saints, not unbelievers. There they are punished for their disobedience while on earth. This belief completely rejects the sufficiency of Christ's atonement and power to save to the uttermost. It has believers thrown into hell. It's a terrible doctrine!

And my apologies to awaken.

you fail to deal with the scripture that has been presented--Christ's servants that do as the unbelievers dowill be beaten with many stripes and have the same portion as the unbelievers--Christ's own words
Deal with them--tell us what he meant ?

 

[preacher4truth]

That.........I'm aware of and I admit. I think the WORLD of AMY .............so much so, that I don't Patronize her, but rather I treat her as an equal....she has already smacked me down in this thread as someone who was posting in ignorance and she was right.....She corrected me when I was wrong.....and I admit it. What then is your point?

Here's the reality super-stud......."Amy" (not you) a woman (not you) was right enough, smart enough and Biblically sound enough to correct me when I was OBVIOUSLY mistaken and speaking foolishly........

You weren't half the man "Amy" was..........nor will you ever be...put it in your pipe and smoke it you arrogant ass.

You've been corrected oft, and have in turn hardened your neck more than oft. You've enjoined a liar, and have loved and believed said lies. Revelation testifies against you.

Name call all you want, it has nothing on me and is not a witness against me but against you -- those whom you endorse and defend are a reflection of you as you defend them in their lies and to do such is a witness against you, showing the inside person of who you are and judges you -- but you won't receive it or see it because you are blinded by having to be 'right' against this witness.

Your reaction against truth to support lies tells you who you are yet you will deceive yourself still against this witness against yourself. Yes, you are self deceived.

The way you react to this truth is exactly the way the enemies of Christ behaved because you are incapable of facing yourself as they were.

 

[Amy.G]

are you blind brother ?

I am asking you to comment on the FOREVER word in that text and you willfully by pass it ? it is clearly not eternal in meaning or Jonah would not have gotten out in 3 days now would he ?

What is the text? Verse please?

 

[HisWitness]

Brush up on figurative language skills and then we can talk.


Jesus said except we eat of His flesh and drink of His blood, we have no life in us. If that's literal just like the Jonah 2:6, explain how we are alive in Him, since none of us are cannibals.....

oh come on ! FOREVER according to you means eternal and now you are trying to cop out on it figures :godisgood::godisgood:

 

[HisWitness]

What is the text? Verse please?

Jonah 2-6 is the forever there eternal ?

 

[Amy.G]

answer this amy--does FOREVER in the Jonah text I gave mean Eternal ??

It means that death is permanent. How does prove that saints are punished in hell?

 

[convicted1]

Wow this thread has exploded, typical day on BB. :laugh:The OP Awaken asks a sincere question, not only does the thread totally turn into a CAL attack, but also there's some questionable teaching thrown in the mix that has nothing to do with the OP. Thanks to Willis, P4T, and Amy for pointing this out.

I'm not familiar with the term Millineal Exclusionist (Sp?). But below is the post where my gut told me something was a little off.



So if I understand what HW is saying some will be elected to salvation initially, those sent to hell will eventually be saved somehow because hell is only temporary or there they see the need to repent. So in a way its a form of universalism????

Hey, don't thank Brother Rob(P4T) and Sissy Amy!! I was the hound that found the ME scent..... j/k......they're just a couple girl scout cookies....you know, "tagalongs"....again.....LOL j/k...


They want to bask in my glorious humility......

 

[HisWitness]

What is the text? Verse please?

here is one scripture that proves the forever translation was not correct--pls read with the intent to honestly see what it is talking about instead of just flying through it so you can post why you say it is heresy

Jonah 2-6

I went down to the bottoms of the mountains;the earth with her bars was about me FOR EVER:YET hast thou brought up my life from corruption,O Lord my God.

Now it the earth's bars was about Jonah FOREVER as the translation is worded,then explain how he got out of the whale's belly and no longer was there--if the translation of the word Olam there meant eternal--then Jonah would still be about the earth's bars NOW and forever?

The proper translation should have been age lasting(which means a short or long duration of time--which God only knows)because Jonah did get out of there after 3 days and nights(that's age lasting--short or long duration of time

 

[convicted1]

I can't find the word forever in the book of Jonah. What version are you using? Or just post the verse again.

Jonah 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.


He needs to brush up on his figurative language skills......

 

[Thousand Hills]

Hey, don't thank Brother Rob(P4T) and Sissy Amy!! I was the hound that found the ME scent..... j/k......they're just a couple girl scout cookies....you know, "tagalongs"....again.....LOL j/k...


They want to bask in my glorious humility......

Ok, you get the credit :thumbs: with a nose like that I guess you don't need dogs to go coon huntin :laugh:

 

[HisWitness]

It means that death is permanent. How does prove that saints are punished in hell?

still the use of the forever there is not eternal in meaning its age lasting

 

[convicted1]

oh come on ! FOREVER according to you means eternal and now you are trying to cop out on it figures :godisgood::godisgood:

No, the bible uses literal and figurative languages. Brush up on them and then we can actually have a meaningful discussion.....