Featured General Reconciliation

I'm just pointing out how treacherous your opinions are. Have you ever studied Calvin? Or just don't like what others say about him?

 

Really?

The question was “Do humans play a part in the means by which they are saved? Or is the means by which humans are saved entirely by God alone?”

Where in your Post #96 does it say “humans play a part” or “God alone”? From what I read, you avoided either choice and gave a politician’s answer ... “the blood of Jesus saves us”.

 

There was no “smokescreed”.
I understand your view (and simply disagree that Scripture teaches it). However, as even you have just pointed out, your response in Post #96 did not answer the “either/or” question of post #95, but required one to go back and combine post #96 with post #1 to obtain “humans play a part” as the answer.

“God puts us into Christ after He credits our faith, as righteousness?“ ... You could have just posted this in Post #96 and answered the Question from Post #95 without all of the effort to avoid saying that people play a part, when you do believe that we play a part ... through our faith.

(If I have misunderstood your position, then what is the source of “our faith“ if it is not us?)

 

You make a distinction without a difference.

 

Maybe Paul didn’t know about Job?! Since your references are couched as absolutes, it only takes one example to refute your take on them.

Job 1:1 (KJV) There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job 1:8 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

God also give testimony that someone can repent, which shows up in numerous passages, Old and New Testaments.

Luke tells us of Cornelius, who sought after God.
Acts 10:2 (KJV) [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
But Jesus offered the best proof, in the passage you were responding to, since He accounted for both the wicked and the righteous—based on their works, for which they will be judged.

These passages can’t conflict, so we have to understand them correctly.


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You never answered the question in post #96.
What is the means of salvation, van?
Do humans play a part in the means by which they are saved? Or is the means by which humans are saved entirely by God alone?
Van, I believe the means of salvation is entirely by God alone. Do you agree?

 

Are you honestly claiming Job was sinless?
The Hebrew does not say he was sinless.
Second, was Job chosen by God or did Job choose God and therefore Job's choice caused God to declare Job blameless?

 

This is serious. If Calvin is right about God, you hate him with a passion and serve an idol of your own making.

 

You are picking only the scriptures you can use to float your false doctrine. You leave out all the verses that force a constraint on them. The atonement saves. You say it does not. It only makes a way for the self-righteous to save themselves. Which is Pelagianism, a heresy refuted in 431 by the Council of Ephesus.

 

There is no reconciliation apart from God's first atoning for those he reconciles. He would not be good otherwise.

 

You need to explain how God can reconcile sinners without first paying for their reconciliation. How can he bee good if he cuts corners and does bad things?