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[Charlie24]

You see Cathode, if the RCC can't man-up with when they really began then they can't be traced in history and the whole thing is a shame.

Cathode, tell us about the Nicene Creed, when it began and what it was.

 

[Cathode]

You see Cathode, if the RCC can't man-up with when they really began then they can't be traced in history and the whole thing is a shame.

It’s about manning up is it? How about reading up on Church history and Fathers.

Every Bible aloner as different start dates of the Catholic Church, all without historical evidence, all just narrative.

Bible aloners don’t seem to even know where the bible came from mostly.

You have been fed complete lies.

 

[Charlie24]

It’s about manning up is it? How about reading up on Church history and Fathers.

Every Bible aloner as different start dates of the Catholic Church, all without historical evidence, all just narrative.

Bible aloners don’t seem to even know where the bible came from mostly.

You have been fed complete lies.

Other than you and few other Catholics I've met through years, my 12 years old grand-daughter could put them to shame.

No, my friend, all that history was written by fallen men that eventually formed an institution called the RCC.

 

[Psalty]

It’s about manning up is it? How about reading up on Church history and Fathers.

Every Bible aloner as different start dates of the Catholic Church, all without historical evidence, all just narrative.

Bible aloners don’t seem to even know where the bible came from mostly.

You have been fed complete lies.

Hey Cathode, I really like your OP. Thank you for the exhortation, brother!

I have a 2 books that I use heavily when doing bible study:
The Apostolic Fathers by Michael Holmes, &
Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David Bercot. (Pre-Nicea)

I have been greatly encouraged by these early church writings, particularly Polycarp’s letter to the Philippians which you can literally feel the Apostle John come through in his writing!
Additionally, Ignatius’ letter to Polycarp is incredible and you can see the handing off of the same principles as the Books of Titus/1-2 Tim.
There are some others that are good as well.

While I can see why the catholic and orthodox church like these, I dont see any specific justification for these churches by these books.

If you ever want to start a separate thread on the Church Fathers, Im sure I would participate and enjoy it!

 

[Charlie24]

Other than you and few other Catholics I've met through years, my 12 years old grand-daughter could put them to shame.

No, my friend, all that history was written by fallen men that eventually formed an institution called the RCC.

@Cathode

There's a Catholic question I can't seem to get answered. It's a reasonable and serious question.

The early Church fathers believed in "outside the Church there is no salvation," well obviously I'm not in the RCC.

Now the RCC says one can be saved outside the Church through no fault of their own in having no knowledge of the RCC.

I have quite a bit of knowledge in RCC doctrine and reject it straight out.

Don't want to make this about you, so according to the RCC, not you, is it possible for me to be saved?

A simple yes or no is preferred, and with an explanation if you care to give it.

 

[Walter]

@Cathode

There's a Catholic question I can't seem to get answered. It's a reasonable and serious question.

The early Church fathers believed in "outside the Church there is no salvation," well obviously I'm not in the RCC.

Now the RCC says one can be saved outside the Church through no fault of their own in having no knowledge of the RCC.

I have quite a bit of knowledge in RCC doctrine and reject it straight out.

Don't want to make this about you, so according to the RCC, not you, is it possible for me to be saved?

A simple yes or no is preferred, and with an explanation if you care to give it.

Actually, the teaching of The Catholic Church is:

The Catholic Church teaches that salvation comes solely from Christ through his Body, the Church ("outside the Church there is no salvation"). However, this does not mean only formal Catholics are saved; those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ or the Church but seek God sincerely may achieve salvation.

I think you can determine what this means.
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[Ben1445]

Actually, the teaching of The Catholic Church is:

The Catholic Church teaches that salvation comes solely from Christ through his Body, the Church ("outside the Church there is no salvation").

Salvation is through the assembly instead of faith. If you’re not in the assembly then you are not saved.

However, this does not mean only formal Catholics are saved; those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ or the Church but seek God sincerely may achieve salvation.

If you don’t know Christ and wouldn’t know to join the assembly instead of have faith in Jesus, you get a pass if you’re a pretty good person. Hence, the other statement is not truly believed.

So if you know about the Catholic Church and haven’t joined it, your lost.
If you don’t know about it, just be good and keep away from people who might try to tell you about it and give you one more thing to do in order to work for your salvation.

I think you can determine what this means.
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That is the way it sounded to me.

 

[Walter]

Salvation is through the assembly instead of faith. If you’re not in the assembly then you are not saved.


If you don’t know Christ and wouldn’t know to join the assembly instead of have faith in Jesus, you get a pass if you’re a pretty good person. Hence, the other statement is not truly believed.

So if you know about the Catholic Church and haven’t joined it, your lost.
If you don’t know about it, just be good and keep away from people who might try to tell you about it and give you one more thing to do in order to work for your salvation.

That is the way it sounded to me.

That is a distortion of what the Church teaches. The Church doesn't teach works based salvation. Do you have the right relationship with Christ? Have you sincerely sought God? I have read many of your posts on the BB, I know the answer to these questions.

 

[Ben1445]

That is a distortion of what the Church teaches. The Church doesn't teach works based salvation. Do you have the right relationship with Christ? Have you sincerely sought God? I have read many of your posts on the BB, I know the answer to these questions.

It is what you said.