God given unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

Yes. I did mention the DOI. Like I said (in the post you just quoted - I believe Americans have accepted those "divinely given unalienable human rights" precisely because they are in the DOI. But the topic is why do Christians accept that God gave man the unalienable right to pursue their happiness, to live their lives, ect. since it is contrary to Scripture.

Per the DOI those rights are SELF EVIDENT. Now you act as if they are inseparable from and dependent on the DOI.

As a Christian using the Bible why do you believe man has the God given unalienable right to pursue happiness, even to their own life?

Stop blowing smoke. If you want to talk about the DOI start a thread.

 

So you believe those "rights" originate with the DOI.

At least we can agree they do not come from Gid's Word.

That is my discussion. Now if you want to discuss the Declaration of Independence and what theses rights mean in that context then ho ahead (on another thread)

I am discussing whether men have those entitlements per Scripture.

What is intellectually dishonest is denying an authors explanation of his own intent (what you are doing here).

You can say that I expressed my intent poorly- BUT you are being intellectually dishonest to lecture me on my intent.

 

Again - I am discussing the fact that the idea men have the entitlement to life, to pursue their happiness, and even to liberty is not only nor in the Bible but it is unbiblical (opposed to what the Bible teaches).

That is why I chose the General Baptist Discussion forum for this thread.

I am not discussing what the founders of out nation took those rights to be, the nature of the Declaration of Independence, ect.

@Revmitchell has made it clear that a biblical defense cannot be made for those entitlements. I agree. If we want to discuss the DOI then we can start thread about the DOI.

I am talking about those supposed entitlements as God given in context of the Bible.

I apologize if I sound snippy but I find it an extremely dishonest argument to claim I mean something contrary my own explanation of what I mean.

I do not understand why @Revmitchell feels he has the authority to define my posts for me against my own explanation. That is intellectually dishonest.

In a discussion each member gets to explain their own posts - their own intent. Another person NEVER has that right.

I respect you, @Revmitchell , I value your opinion. But you are wrong here. I am talking about those supposed entitlements in light of the Bible - not the founding of our nation. Your topic us interesting and would make a good thread. But it is not my topic here.

 

This thread is discussing passages that entitlements men to the God given right to pursue their happiness, to their own life, and to their individual liberty.

You may think it is incorrect to talk about these rights separated from the DOI, but that is neither here nor there.

The topic of this thread is whether God has given men those rights.

I have started another thread where you can discuss the DOI. You do not need to hijack this one.

You are being intelligently dishonest here, Rev. You say these entitlements are in Scripture, cannot provide where, and keep going to the DOI

 

Yes, they are extra biblical. Now we can see if they are contrary to biblical truth (I'll start off speaking generally) or perhaps derived from biblical truth.

My position is that Scripture does not support the idea that men have the right to pursue their own happiness. Instead it seems to me that men were created for God's purposes and their very existence hinges on His will (not man's will).

It also seems that Scripture presents men as having life based on Hod's providence, sovereignty and will (God's pleasure) rather than entitlement.

 

I accused you of being unable to separate a discusdion of these unalienable rights from the context of the DOI because that is where you always seem to return.

My statement is that we oftwn accept these rights because of the DOI, but my argument has nothing to do with the doccument (something you find "intellectually dishonest").

You claim that I am not "properly" dealing with these supposed human entitlements because I turn to the Bible and not the DOI.

This only shows you do not understand the topic or believe these supposed entitlements are inseparable from the DOI (either is fine for you to believe).

BUT you are missing the topic of the thread, have refused to engage the topic, and continue to blow smoke.

There is another thread (in the politics section) dealing with the DOI and our "unalienable rights".

This thread is very simple.

Many seem to think that men have the Hod given unalienable right to pursue their happiness, to their own lives, and their individual liberty. Thus idea is foreign to Scripture.

Is this the context of the DOI? No, of course not. That is where YOU take it, not me. My point is many see men as having those unalienable divinely entitlements.

Get with the program, dude. You are arguing on the wrong thread.

 

I do not think God makes man make choices. I also see no evidence in Acts 17 that God has given men the unalienable right to pursue their own happiness.

I cannot see how you stretch the verse to cover the claim.

Please post the passage and highlight where the pursuit of happiness is a human entitlement (I e , show your work as I am not seeing the link between the passage and your conclusion).

Thanks.

 

I agree with the passage. I disagree, however, that the passage is descriptive of God giving men the unalienable right or entitlement to pursue his or her own happiness, to his or her life, or liberty.

I do not understand how you interpret the verse to speak of human entitlements.

 

Those are given only to men through salvation in Christ.

Is it then fair to say you believe salvation is a human right, that men are entitled to salvation???

Your liberal theology is what has torn down the traditional church and your liberal politics & entitlements is what is tearing apart our nation.

Life is a God given right (per the Constitution) and in that context (society...i.e., the context of the Constitution) there is a right to life. BUT this is not an individual right given by God. A people have no right to kill because man is created in God's image- NOT because of entitlement.