God is the Author of sin.

Can you explain the difference? Does Johnp think God can sin, or lie? I don't get that impression from his posts.

 

Yes, he does. He denies that humans have wills of their own. He believes that God's will is what is working when a human wills to sin. In other words, God is forcing man to sin. Ergo, God sins. I'm sure Johnp will protest my conclusion - he'll probably say that to God, it is not sin, because he can do what he wants to, including violate his own holiness.

 

Non sequitur. Even if God forces a man to sin, that is not the same thing as God sinning. God making a man sin means God is making a man disobey Him. God sinning would mean God disobeys Himself. Two very different things.

 

He who hires a hitman is guilty of murder.

Probably not the best analogy to Johnp's theology, because God would be the conspirer and the hitman. Johnp has admitted that we are essentially puppets. Maybe a better analogy would be a conspirer hires a severely mentally handicapped person and essentially coerces him to muder someone.

Ultimately, this warped theology ends up being a kind of pantheism - that God is everything.

 

Reconcile that notion with the fact the Bible state that God doesn't even tempt man?

Jam 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

 

Matthew 18
6 "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

God does not cause us to sin.

 

Hebrews 4
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

What kind of theology is it that accuses God of sin?
Doctrines of demons.

 

The Scriptures tell again and again of God raising up a nation to go against Israel for instance . They do their dirty deeds including raping and general wickedness . Then the Lord punishes them for doing what He ordained them to do . He mastered their will to do what He wanted . Of course they had plenty of natural evil to joyfully accept their task .

 

Wrong. He punished them for doing what they chose to do...He didn't "ordain" their sin at all. He uses even our sin to bring about His glory and purpose, but He doesn't "ordain" our sin.

 

CHS :" Laborers Together "

The following pertains to something John P brought up earlier .

Because God acts in a certain way they call his method of action a law , and straightway they speak of these laws as if they were forces and powers in and of themselves , and thus God is banished out of His own universe , and His place is taken up in the scientific world by idols called 'natural laws'...
It is easy to make idols out of second causes , and to forget the God who is everywhere present , causing all things to work together for good .

 

Here's what we're trying to get at:

I doubt that any Calvinist disagrees with this as it's stated here. Nothing is accomplished by mere permission. Sinful acts are accomplished by the "will and decree of God" in conjunction with the permission of the evil deed. But reading your posts has made me think that it isn't just mere permission you object to, but any suggestion that permission has a part in God's accomplishment of evil deeds.

In other words, it seems that you have God the active agent in sinful acts in exactly the same way he's the active agent in righteous acts.

 

He does what?

 

wicked

Ezekiel 28:15
You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

 

James, chapter 1
13: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15: Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16: Do not err, my beloved brethren.
God is NOT the author of sin.

 

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.