God's Wisdom versus Earthly, Sensual, and Demonic Wisdom about Instrumental Music

[Salty]

On the other hand, I had a pastor - in his pre Christian life played rock&roll. After being saved - he put up his guitar. After a while - (i forget how long) - he pulled it out - and would sing - Christian music - with his guitar. On of his favorites was On a Hill called Mt Calvary . Excllecent music ministry.- but I would guess it was not.

 

[JesusFan]

And I said, I am not advocating drums in church. You don't like them, fine.

The OP seems to have much more than a preference for not having them. He believes it demonic. He believes the inanimate can be evil.

You have called it rebellion. I just don't understand.

My church for awhile had 4 different worship leaders, and one had Sunday church hymnals, another Contemporary, another classic, and last Sunday was Youth take over, so Christian rock. Pastors just stated if you have a preference and conviction, just show up at the style you like, and let others same to style they like , and do not bad mouth and grumble if some are enjoying what you do not

 

[JesusFan]

On the other hand, I had a pastor - in his pre Christian life played rock&roll. After being saved - he put up his guitar. After a while - (i forget how long) - he pulled it out - and would sing - Christian music - with his guitar. On of his favorites was On a Hill called Mt Calvary . Excllecent music ministry.- but I would guess it was not.

Still think some of the greatest Gospel singing ever heard was from Elvis

 

[Charlie24]

On the other hand, I had a pastor - in his pre Christian life played rock&roll. After being saved - he put up his guitar. After a while - (i forget how long) - he pulled it out - and would sing - Christian music - with his guitar. On of his favorites was On a Hill called Mt Calvary . Excllecent music ministry.- but I would guess it was not.

He doesn't have to stop singing and playing a guitar because he made his heart right with God.

If his heart is right with God, He will use it to His glory.

One of my uncles was one of the best Christians I've ever known, He inspired me to study the Scripture early in my life.

He would pick up his guitar and start singing hymns in a heartbeat, and was good at it.

 

[JesusFan]

I don't want anyone angry with me and I know this is a touchy subject and I say to each to his own.

But while we're on the subject, let me say something I hope no one will take offensive.

Back in the mid to late 50's rock and roll started and really came on the scene in the 60's/70's.

The Church went into a frenzy over that beat, and the drums, they were calling it a device of Satan.

Now it's the norm in the Church and no one is saying anything.

Just think would be very interesting to have someone like Alice Cooper lead a worship service in a Baptist Church, as His father was a Baptist pastor, and Grandfather Baptist Missionary/Evangelist, just try ti image him in full get up leading worship

 

[Charlie24]

Still think some of the greatest Gospel singing ever heard was from Elvis

I have agree with that!

 

[Charlie24]

Just think would be very interesting to have someone like Alice Cooper lead a worship service in a Baptist Church, as His father was a Baptist pastor, and Grandfather Baptist Missionary/Evangelist, just try ti image him in full get up leading worship

The Lord would have made room for him if he had chosen that path.

 

[JesusFan]

I have agree with that!

Think many around him have stated that he near end of his like really regreated not being a singing evangelist for the Lord Jesus, as he wondered if he had misused his talents and calling

 

[JesusFan]

The Lord would have made room for him if he had chosen that path.

he has been saved over 30 years now, and he had a big missionary outreach into famous musicians and celebrities , and he and his wife are sponsering in Az a big outreach to youth, as trying to get them out of gangs and turned unto Jesus

 

[Charlie24]

Think many around him have stated that he near end of his like really regreated not being a singing evangelist for the Lord Jesus, as he wondered if he had misused his talents and calling

I heard those closest around him say that he was a troubled soul. I hope in the end he made it right.

 

[JesusFan]

I heard those closest around him say that he was a troubled soul. I hope in the end he made it right.

His biggest problem was got too famous way too quick, and had all "yes men" around him, not much Christian influences, as really need some to correct him

 

[Charlie24]

he has been saved over 30 years now, and he had a big missionary outreach into famous musicians and celebrities , and he and his wife are sponsering in Az a big outreach to youth, as trying to get them out of gangs and turned unto Jesus

Well that shows you how much I know about Alice Cooper.

I would have never even given that a chance.

 

[Charlie24]

His biggest problem was got too famous way too quick, and had all "yes men" around him, not much Christian influences, as really need some to correct him

Elvis is one of the very few rock and rollers that I really liked.

I was watching a video of him some time back when a woman was holding a sign that said "The King," he stopped and told her he was not The King, that was Jesus Christ.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Well that shows you how much I know about Alice Cooper.

I would have never even given that a chance.

He is a VERY devout Christian man. I've known about his dedication to Christ for years.

I remember hearing him say on a radio program once about the classic oldies - "I've just got to stop here a minute. I have to ask, have you read your Bible today? I have."

His ministry to young people that the rest of the world doesn't care about is astonishing. He said of them - "All they know of Jesus Christ is that that name is a curse word."

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

You hate drums in church and probably guitars and more, but for some reason you would never state it. . . .


I see now with this post of yours. "Inventors of evil things" - you believe inanimate objects can be evil in and of themselves. That's how you interpret Paul's words in Romans 1:30

You believe that humans skulls anointed with bodily sexual fluids are the EXACT same "thing" as a drum sold in a music store ergo, drums played in marching bands and church and studios must be as demonic and evil as the skull.

You believe Paul, in Romans 1, to be listing over 20 evil ways of being or doing or thinking or behaving and 1 way of making inanimate objects possess evil in their lifelessness.

I am going to have to differ with you. I do not believe that inanimate objects can be evil. Not a baseball bat, spoon, drum, ball of yarn, car, camera, hairbrush, or jar of pickle. They can be used for evil by an evil human with an evil heart, but they do not possess evil in them. They do not possess divinity.

God's Word tells us what inanimate objects possess. NOTHING!! People worship them sometimes, but they, so says the Bible, "cannot speak, cannot hear, cannot walk, cannot use hands, cannot see" and are powerless to save.

Paul is not talking about drums in church. He is speaking about people who invent new ways to commit evil.

I'm just sorry that it took me this long to figure out you are talking about drums in church and trying to goad us into agreeing with you.

Sadly, you are so very wrong in so many of these remarks. I do not hate drums and guitars---I hate sinful ways in which musical instruments are played by wicked people. I hate the musical instruments and kinds of music that wicked people have made by heeding earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom.

I actually teach sacred guitar to believers and have ministered numerous times at my church on my classical guitar. My church often uses various kinds of drums as well as numerous other instruments in our services.

I absolutely do not believe that human skull drums are the exact same thing as other drums. I have not said any such thing. You are not speaking the truth about me by making such statements as the following that I quote below from your comments:

You believe that humans skulls anointed with bodily sexual fluids are the EXACT same "thing" as a drum sold in a music store ergo, drums played in marching bands and church and studios must be as demonic and evil as the skull.

I do believe that inanimate objects can be evil. I have already proven that is true by my treatment of certain evil statues that wicked people can and very likely have made.

I have not been trying to goad anyone into agreeing with me. What I have done is provide biblical and other evidence why skull drums are intrinsically evil musical instruments. You are free to disagree.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

I have never seen nor heard of before a musical instrument of any kind being made of human parts . . .

If I knew of such a thing happening today, I would call the police.

There are numerous credible sources that prove that such musical instruments have existed and do exist in many parts of the world.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Just think would be very interesting to have someone like Alice Cooper lead a worship service in a Baptist Church, as His father was a Baptist pastor, and Grandfather Baptist Missionary/Evangelist, just try ti image him in full get up leading worship

I googled up Alice Cooper and this is the AI comment:
Yes, Alice Cooper is a committed Christian. Despite his dark stage persona, he has spoken openly about his faith in Jesus Christ, crediting his faith with saving him from addiction. He is known to read the Bible and pray daily, and he attends a Bible church in Arizona.

 

[Aaron]

My assertions are worthless if they are not in keeping with the truth of God.

For some unfathomable reason, you seemingly deny that there is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom about the making of musical instruments.

In effect, you assert that all wisdom about the making of musical instruments is always and only the wisdom from God that is the wisdom from above. If that is what you believe, you need to show us how the Bible itself teaches that is true.

Pretend you're writing a book. You finished your chapter on wisdom and the fabrication of musical instruments.

What's the next chapter?

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Pretend you're writing a book. You finished your chapter on wisdom and the fabrication of musical instruments.

What's the next chapter?

I have already mentioned it several times. Just as there are musical instruments that have been made with earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, there are kinds of instrumental music that are not the wisdom of God that is from above---they are earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom about how musical instruments are to be played and their sounds combined.