GOP healthcare plan

[Happy]

I think that it is revealing that Donald Trump does not want the replacement of Obamacare to be named Trumpcare.

Doomed to failure?

Funny thing is "barry~care" was hillary's backroom agenda for years.

 

[HankD]

... This guys hands are not clean by any stretch of imagination.

Prove it. Present the documented evidence.

HankD

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

I see nothing in the bill allowing for selling insurance policies across state lines. Nothing.

If you all remember, that was the key component (really the only component) in Trump's explanations of his health care plan during the campaign.

I know the Team R likes to talk about the state lines stuff. However,

1- Insurance is regulated by the states, not the feds - so not sure how this could be done.
2 - Never seen a credible study to show how this could lower the cost

Bottom line, I'm not really sure what this actually accomplishes.

 

[Revmitchell]

I know the Team R likes to talk about the state lines stuff. However,

1- Insurance is regulated by the states, not the feds - so not sure how this could be done.
2 - Never seen a credible study to show how this could lower the cost

Bottom line, I'm not really sure what this actually accomplishes.

It accomplishes more competition which is already known to lower costs. Less comp allows businesses to control prices at a higher level. If one should by insurance from a company in a state other than their own then it would seem that they would have to accept the insurance based on that state's regs. I am not sure what that would do to regulation in states in the long run but there is no doubt that more comp lowers prices.

 

[TCassidy]

Every dollar a person does not earn, but that he receives from the government is a dollar the government had to first TAKE, BRIBE, STEAL from an other who EARNED it.

So, my military disability is stolen from somebody else so I should quit accepting it?

 

[777]

Yes, but so what? He also expressed support for abortion for years and years. I did too, BTW. Totally irrelevant. Trump is not the same man he was decades ago.

but Trump didn't say that decades ago, he said it months ago and he's said since that he would help Ryan pass his bill. I think Trump is still open to be reasoned with:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/03/13/trump-meets-with-obamacare-victims-n2298136

and he could be employing negotiating techniques but it's going to be a tough haul to make it both universal and private like Trump wants.

 

[InTheLight]

It accomplishes more competition which is already known to lower costs. Less comp allows businesses to control prices at a higher level. If one should by insurance from a company in a state other than their own then it would seem that they would have to accept the insurance based on that state's regs. I am not sure what that would do to regulation in states in the long run but there is no doubt that more comp lowers prices.

Selling insurance across state lines might lower costs a little bit for a little while. The problem with buying insurance across state lines is that:

1. The actuarial tables will be figured on what it costs to provide health care in the state the customer is located in. Thus, if I a person living in California buys health insurance from a company in Alabama, the company in Alabama will have rates adjusted for California residents.

2. Selling insurance across state lines will have some effect for a little while. But then states will compete to get insurance companies to relocate to their state by passing laws that create incentives for health insurance companies to move there. This will cause insurance companies to relocate and once they do all rates will settle in at about the same numbers.

 

[Happy]

So, my military disability is stolen from somebody else so I should quit accepting it?

If you are disabled because of your service in the military, of course you should receive compensation.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So, my military disability is stolen from somebody else so I should quit accepting it?

That was not the point of the truth that Happy pointed out. The government can not give you or anyone else anything, whether it is deserved or not, that they do not take away from someone else.

My arch-conservative brother always adds the caveat, "And there is a big freight charge added." He does not believe the government should pay anything to anyone.

I've know a number of fellow I grew up with who receive checks from the government for disabilities. Most do not have any disability that really impacts their daily lives.

Do they deserve the payment?

By the law, yes.

Morally or ethically, no.

 

[Happy]

That was not the point of the truth that Happy pointed out. The government can not give you or anyone else anything, whether it is deserved or not, that they do not take away from someone else.

My arch-conservative brother always adds the caveat, "And there is a big freight charge added." He does not believe the government should pay anything to anyone.

I've know a number of fellow I grew up with who receive checks from the government for disabilities. Most do not have any disability that really impacts their daily lives.

Do they deserve the payment?

By the law, yes.

Morally or ethically, no.

"He does not believe the government should pay anything to anyone."

Actually, I do believe the government SHOULD pay it's employees, representatives and elected officials. As well as provide for spouses and children who's parent was disabled or killed in military service, until such time the spouse remarries. As well as compensation to any serviceman while IN service, or who was disabled because of the service.

A life-time of "benefits", because a person WAS and is no longer in an employee, representative, service, or elected position of the government? No.

A handout BECAUSE a person makes poor choices and can not provide for themselves? No.

 

[TCassidy]

I've know a number of fellow I grew up with who receive checks from the government for disabilities.

My disability is military. I am a disabled veteran, with a compensatible, service connected disability.

In other words, while working for the US government, I was injured to such an extent that the results of that injury still have a negative impact on my life and health.

Most do not have any disability that really impacts their daily lives.

I do. Caused by my former employer (The US Army) and being compensated by my former employer.

Do they deserve the payment?

I do. I earned every dime of it, paying for it with a literal "pound of flesh."

 

[Yeshua1]

My disability is military. I am a disabled veteran, with a compensatible, service connected disability.

In other words, while working for the US government, I was injured to such an extent that the results of that injury still have a negative impact on my life and health.
I do. Caused by my former employer (The US Army) and being compensated by my former employer.
I do. I earned every dime of it, paying for it with a literal "pound of flesh."

FAR different than collection of govt checks just due to making a lot of babies!

 

[carpro]

My trust in the GOP has been dropping dramatically since the convention and this made it drop even faster. They need to do what they have promised since 2010 and that is repeal Obamacare end of story. No phases, no 12 step process just repeal.

As I said we need a new party that is actually conservative and wants to go by the Constitution since the GOP does not have the backbone for it.

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Gop leadership is not responsive to the desires of their constituents and haven't been for a long time.

That's why Donald Trump is president.

But the congressional GOP leadership is still the same.

 

[Yeshua1]

Gop leadership is not responsive to the desires of their constituents and haven't been for a long time.

That's why Donald Trump is president.

But the congressional GOP leadership is still the same.

And phasing it in in stages will be acceptable as long as finall product is good!

 

[just-want-peace]

That was not the point of the truth that Happy pointed out. The government can not give you or anyone else anything, whether it is deserved or not, that they do not take away from someone else.

My arch-conservative brother always adds the caveat, "And there is a big freight charge added." He does not believe the government should pay anything to anyone.

I've know a number of fellow I grew up with who receive checks from the government for disabilities. Most do not have any disability that really impacts their daily lives.

Do they deserve the payment?

By the law, yes.

Morally or ethically, no.

Now the highlighted above is something that I'm in total agreement with you on.
(The RAPTURE must be coming in the next coupla' weeks or so!! )

 

[Happy]

My disability is military. I am a disabled veteran, with a compensatible, service connected disability.

In other words, while working for the US government, I was injured to such an extent that the results of that injury still have a negative impact on my life and health.
I do. Caused by my former employer (The US Army) and being compensated by my former employer.
I do. I earned every dime of it, paying for it with a literal "pound of flesh."

And no one is implying or stating you should be denied compensation for your injuries.
Thank you for your service and hope you are receiving sufficient care because of your injuries during your service-time.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Funny thing is "barry~care" was hillary's backroom agenda for years.

I thought it was modeled after Romny care?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Prove it. Present the documented evidence.

HankD

Crooks always hide evidence.

 

[Deacon]

So what happens if Republicans can't agree on a plan?

... 0bamaCare will die of natural causes.
It's been on life support for the past 3 years.
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Rob

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think Ryan ought to make his bill apply to Congress and their staff, and see if they still think this is such a good idea.

BRAVO! Make them hurt right back. Excellent!!!