Government murder

[xlsdraw]

I am under the impression that ...

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

I am indifferent to the 'nay-saying' of those on the side lines doing nothing in the face of evil, but criticizing any effort by others to confront it.

Amen.

 

[xlsdraw]

I am sorry Sir, but I addressed Presidential War Powers used by Mr. Obama, Biden, and Trump. We were talking about illegal drug suppliers waging war by killing thousands of Americans, and you want to talk about medical malpractice? Give me a break...

That's exactly how weak and childish their ideology is.

 

[xlsdraw]

Could be the case . That is the topic I am trying to get discussion of. With the anniversary of Auschwitz and hearing the stories of the actions of the German government and the fact that there was no earthly justice. So I ask do we believe that these men and women were not called out for their support of the genocide? Did the butcher who knew of the actions and supported “the final solution “ clear of judgement?

Answer the question newbie.

 

[KevinThrowe]

You will have to give context for this kind of language. It is too vague to justify an answer.

Start with a simple . Would the guards at Auschwitz be able to gat salvation?

 

[Silverhair]

I am under the impression that ...

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

I am indifferent to the 'nay-saying' of those on the side lines doing nothing in the face of evil, but criticizing any effort by others to confront it.

You do realize that speech by Roosevelt was not to justify the invasion of another country.

I find it amazing how people will pull text out of context or twist the words to justify their sins.

So by your logic when someone robs or kills you or a loved one then that is alright as might makes right.

 

[Silverhair]

The US also invaded Germany in WW2. Was that wrong? Germany had not invaded us.

Boy you really are trying hard to justify what the US just did and has said they want to do to other sovereign countries.

Why did we have WW1 and WW2. It was to stop an aggressor nation. What has the US become but that aggressor nation.

 

[KevinThrowe]

That's exactly how weak and childish their ideology is.

Drug dealers are capitalists providing the supply for the demand in all my years doing drugs only one known death from cocaine. To speak of fentanyl one needs to speak of the big pharma that developed that drug and the Sackler family that sold Ozy

 

[atpollard]

as might makes right.

You are the only one claiming "might makes right" (and you claim it over and over).
I just claimed the arrest of a terrorist dictator to face charges in the United States of America was LEGAL under US Law (and that International Law does not really exist since there is no "enforcement mechanism" as evidenced by the fact that the ILLEGAL-under-International-Law Dictator continued to oppress his people and 'International Law' did NOTHING about it.)

 

[Silverhair]

And which imperialist country do you live in?

Sounds like you know you have lost the argument.

You follow someone that acts like a dictator and you see not problem with that.

 

[Silverhair]

You are the only one claiming "might makes right" (and you claim it over and over).
I just claimed the arrest of a terrorist dictator to face charges in the United States of America was LEGAL under US Law (and that International Law does not really exist since there is no "enforcement mechanism" as evidenced by the fact that the ILLEGAL-under-International-Law Dictator continued to oppress his people and 'International Law' did NOTHING about it.)

So you think one illegal act justifies another illegal act.

That is really strange logic you have.

Your argument screams "might make right" and you are so blinded that you do not even realize it.

You seem to think your US laws extend to the whole world, they do not.

 

[KevinThrowe]

So you think one illegal act justifies another illegal act.

That is really strange logic you have.

Your argument screams "might make right" and you are so blinded that you do not even realize it.

You seem to think your US laws extend to the whole world, they do not.

Do you have thoughts on the OP?
Is there a line for salvation when a nation turns bad?
Nazi germany as a start point.

 

[Silverhair]

Do you have thoughts on the OP?
Is there a line for salvation when a nation turns bad?
Nazi germany as a start point.

Kevin it seems you think a nation can sin and loose it's salvation. Only people can sin and those in the nation who do will be judged but those that have trusted in God will not be judged.

Example many in the USA think that the invasion of Venezuela was justified but not all do. Those that think it was justified will be judged accordingly just as those that think it was wrong will be judged accordingly.

 

[atpollard]

So you think one illegal act justifies another illegal act.

What illegal act?
What Law was violated?

You are a poor mind reader, constantly stating what I think and getting it wrong.
I told you what I think:

The arrest of a terrorist dictator to face charges in the United States of America was LEGAL under US Law

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law Dictator continued to oppress his people and 'International Law' did NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law invasion of Ukraine continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law murder of Jews by Hamas continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law murder of Christians in Africa continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law murder of Whites in South Africa continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

[Shall I go on with the "International Laws" that are violated around the globe with impunity ... yet ONLY the USA should be required to obey the whims of those that violate International Law by obeying the decrees of the Mos Eisley 'wretched hive of scum and villainy' that is the UN.]

 

[canadyjd]

And what else has he done that you seem to over look?

You asked the question. I gave you specific answers as to what DT has done that supports his profession of faith.

But I do not let them bother me.

I get it @canadyjd you like the guy and are willing to look past what he has done.

I get it. You hate the guy and will complain and call him names no matter what he does

You do not or rather will not see the warts. That is your choice but you should not expect other to do the same.

I see the warts. I don’t pretend to know who is saved and who isn’t. That is between them and God.

Has he done some good things but that does not give him the right to do the bad things h has done and those he says he plans to do.

Tour opinion as to what is “good” or “bad” doesn’t effect anything.

If you cannot see that he has done much damage to the reputation of the US then you are not paying attention.

The same accusation is made against every Repub president by those on the left. I suspect DT isn’t concerned if our adversaries approve of his policies

The results are all he cares about. So far, he’s succeeding in everything he has set out to do.

All the nattering neighbobs will share in the great benefits DT is bringing to this country but they will never admit it or give him credit

And…. He doesn’t care if they do because he’s doing it for the country. Not himself. Not decrepit party. Not the wealthy. For the country.

Peace to you

 

[atpollard]

Kevin it seems you think a nation can sin and loose it's salvation. Only people can sin and those in the nation who do will be judged but those that have trusted in God will not be judged.

Yup.

 

[KevinThrowe]

You asked the question. I gave you specific answers as to what DT has done that supports his profession of faith.

I get it. You hate the guy and will complain and call him names no matter what he does

I see the warts. I don’t pretend to know who is saved and who isn’t. That is between them and God.

Tour opinion as to what is “good” or “bad” doesn’t effect anything.

The same accusation is made against every Repub president by those on the left. I suspect DT isn’t concerned if our adversaries approve of his policies

The results are all he cares about. So far, he’s succeeding in everything he has set out to do.

All the nattering neighbobs will share in the great benefits DT is bringing to this country but they will never admit it or give him credit

And…. He doesn’t care if they do because he’s doing it for the country. Not himself. Not decrepit party. Not the wealthy. For the country.

Peace to you

Read these same praises about Germany in the 30’s

 

[canadyjd]

Why do you not do the list action. Get the paper write out the commandments and weather do has violated them. I did this many times . Get back to the OP . Do we get a pass at the gate -for supporting the sinful acts by our government.

I will not sit down to write a list of all the sins I think someone else is doing.

I take up all my extra time examining myself. I suggest you try that as well.

Jess said not to look at the splinter in your neighbors eye while ignoring the log in your own.

I’ll follow the command of my Lord Jesus

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

What illegal act?
What Law was violated?

You are a poor mind reader, constantly stating what I thing and getting it wrong.
I told you what I think:

The arrest of a terrorist dictator to face charges in the United States of America was LEGAL under US Law

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law Dictator continued to oppress his people and 'International Law' did NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law invasion of Ukraine continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law murder of Jews by Hamas continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law murder of Christians in Africa continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

The ILLEGAL-under-International-Law murder of Whites in South Africa continues and 'International Law' does NOTHING about it ... therefore, 'International Law' is a toothless lion and and a fiction.

[Shall I go on with the "International Laws" that are violated around the globe with impunity ... yet ONLY the USA should be required to obey the whims of those that violate International Law by obeying the decrees of the Mos Eisley 'wretched hive of scum and villainy' that is the UN.]

And it the person was in the US then the arrest would have been legal but it was not done in the US but in another country that had not given the US permission to do what it had done.

The US invaded another country and kidnapped a person both illegal acts.

You are trying to use other illegal acts to justify the illegal action of the US.

You have a strange moral code.

 

[canadyjd]

Read these same praises about Germany in the 30’s

Your repeated comparisons to DT and Nazi germany is so far off base as to be laughable if it weren’t so slanderous

Peace to you

 

[atpollard]

Read these same praises about Germany in the 30’s

The Venezuelans celebrated in the streets when their "leader" was kidnapped to face Justice. Only the "Peanut Gallery" and other Communist Despots are wringing their hands at this.

You are lamenting the 101 Airborne liberating the people from Death Camps and beating your chest over the unfair death of Hitler (since you like WW2 analogies).