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Grieved over today's events in Charlottesville

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TCassidy

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Northern socialists?
Yes. Please read the modification which followed. (government control of the means of production by way of tariffs). You can't deny that Congress placed tariffs on exported cotton and imported industrial machinery.

The Southerners were free to start their own factories to produce cloth and everything else.
Sure they were, if they could buy the industrial machinery then needed and pay for it by selling cotton. But they could not sell cotton to France at a good price because Congress passed tariffs which resulted in having to sell to the north at half the profit. And Congress passed tariffs which resulted on imported machinery costing twice as much as machinery purchased from the north forcing the south to buy their machinery at inflated prices.
 

InTheLight

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I side with the right to peacefully assemble and demonstrate. I don't care if its the Klan or the Panthers. The counter demonstrators sparked the violence. As I said, I have worked several Klan rallies. They always complied fully with the rules of their permit. The counter demonstrators always caused the problems. Smart people would have ignored them.
So you can tell what the counter protesters did to cause someone to run over people with a speeding car? I'd like to know.

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TCassidy

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No one said they did but if you are subscribing to the peaceful protest mindset then you aren't being honest with yourself.
I'm not sure I understand your objection. How does being legally armed equal intent to not be peaceable? I went to church this morning. I was armed (as I always am). How did my being armed equal the intent to not be peaceful?

The Klan is, in my opinion, one of the most despicable organizations in the country. But in a free country they have the same constitutional rights as everyone else. And that includes the right to peaceable assembly.

If only some people have it, it is not freedom. It is tyranny.

Supporting that concept is not supporting the Klan. It is supporting the Constitution.
 

TCassidy

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So you can tell what the counter protesters did to cause someone to run over people with a speeding car? I'd like to know.
So would I. And so far we don't know what his motives were. All we have is a lot of speculation which, usually, reinforces previously held opinions.
 

Matt Black

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Turning up to a demonstration armed to the teeth with assault weapons gives the lie to the claim of 'peaceful' protest. Surprised you need that pointed out to you
 

JohnDeereFan

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Yes. Please read the modification which followed. (government control of the means of production by way of tariffs). You can't deny that Congress placed tariffs on exported cotton and imported industrial machinery.

Sure they were, if they could buy the industrial machinery then needed and pay for it by selling cotton. But they could not sell cotton to France at a good price because Congress passed tariffs which resulted in having to sell to the north at half the profit. And Congress passed tariffs which resulted on imported machinery costing twice as much as machinery purchased from the north forcing the south to buy their machinery at inflated prices.

I don't normally respond to moderators, but in this case, it should also be pointed out that the federal government was also controlling the railroads in order to hamper the South's ability to import materials and export goods It was an embargo,of sorts, to try to force the South to submit.
 
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TCassidy

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Had we won the Korean war, we would not be having this discussion today.
Interesting observation. I had an old friend, an Army General and retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff make an equally interesting observation.

If the US leadership had listened to General Patton toward the end of WWII, when he said we should go after Russia and defeat them while we still could, there would have been no Cold War, and no Korea. If, after Korea, we had listened to General MacArthur and invaded China there would have been no Vietnam. And without Vietnam we would not be where we are today.

We just never learn. We want our Generals to fight our wars, but we won't let them win them. The only exception was General Schwarzkopf and the first Gulf War when they gave him his head and he won the war in 100 hours.
 

Matt Black

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Surprised you need the 2nd amendment pointed out to you.
I know what the 2nd Amendment says. And I don't think it permits paramilitary terrorist organisations to organise and arm themselves in American soil. Unless you think ISIS should be allowed to 'bear arms' in the US too?
 

MennoSota

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Interesting observation. I had an old friend, an Army General and retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff make an equally interesting observation.

If the US leadership had listened to General Patton toward the end of WWII, when he said we should go after Russia and defeat them while we still could, there would have been no Cold War, and no Korea. If, after Korea, we had listened to General MacArthur and invaded China there would have been no Vietnam. And without Vietnam we would not be where we are today.

We just never learn. We want our Generals to fight our wars, but we won't let them win them. The only exception was General Schwarzkopf and the first Gulf War when they gave him his head and he won the war in 100 hours.
We didn't because God is Sovereignly raising up China and Russia for His glorious purpose.
 

JonC

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I'm not talking about a legal standpoint here, I'm just saying what that is the reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is that the KKK is definitely wrong, but the opposition is often just as wrong but weak enough to be provoked into confrontation.
 

Reynolds

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No, but his treaty partner, Communist China, could. JohnDeerFan got it right.
Red China is the last bear we want to poke, and a preemptive strike on North Korea would be the grandfather of all pokes.
China will not retaliate. They understand MAD. They are not nut jobs like Un.
 

Reynolds

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Interesting observation. I had an old friend, an Army General and retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff make an equally interesting observation.

If the US leadership had listened to General Patton toward the end of WWII, when he said we should go after Russia and defeat them while we still could, there would have been no Cold War, and no Korea. If, after Korea, we had listened to General MacArthur and invaded China there would have been no Vietnam. And without Vietnam we would not be where we are today.

We just never learn. We want our Generals to fight our wars, but we won't let them win them. The only exception was General Schwarzkopf and the first Gulf War when they gave him his head and he won the war in 100 hours.
Defeating China would have been part of winning the Korean war. They attacked us in Korea. That opened up the war to include them.
Stormin Norman did not win the war in Iraq. Politicians stopped him short of Baghdad. We had to go back years later to finish what he started.
 

TCassidy

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I know what the 2nd Amendment says. And I don't think it permits paramilitary terrorist organisations to organise and arm themselves in American soil. Unless you think ISIS should be allowed to 'bear arms' in the US too?
And just when, exactly, do you think the KKK or BLM was adjudicated to be a "paramilitary terrorist organization." Please supply docket number, court, and decision.

Thank you.
 

Lewis

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The mayor of Charlottesville and the governor of Virginia knew for weeks that the KKK march was going to take place. They knew that they and a couple other groups had a permit to march. They should have made every attempt to keep opposing sides apart. Just look at a similar march that took place in Pikeville, Ky just back in April. Police kept them apart, they enforced the no-mask law, and nobody was killed or even roughed up. Some of them may have had weapons but none were used. Everyone had their say and went home.
 
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