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Grieved over today's events in Charlottesville

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Use of Time

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I'm not sure I understand your objection. How does being legally armed equal intent to not be peaceable? I went to church this morning. I was armed (as I always am). How did my being armed equal the intent to not be peaceful?

The Klan is, in my opinion, one of the most despicable organizations in the country. But in a free country they have the same constitutional rights as everyone else. And that includes the right to peaceable assembly.

If only some people have it, it is not freedom. It is tyranny.

Supporting that concept is not supporting the Klan. It is supporting the Constitution.

I wasn't making a gun rights statement I was simply saying that those people went expecting and maybe even hoping for a fight. And got one.
 

MennoSota

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The reality of the situation is that the KKK is definitely wrong, but the opposition is often just as wrong but weak enough to be provoked into confrontation.
The person who drove into the crowd...was s/he a white supremacist or a protester of white supremacists?

Verbal confrontation is to be expected. Violence is not to be expected. The violence must be condemned.
 

Use of Time

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Defeating China would have been part of winning the Korean war. They attacked us in Korea. That opened up the war to include them.
Stormin Norman did not win the war in Iraq. Politicians stopped him short of Baghdad. We had to go back years later to finish what he started.

We didn't have to do anything of the sort in Baghdad. The real world isn't just a game of risk. You gotta worry about others responses to such actions in the real world.
 

MennoSota

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The Klan hasn't lynched anyone in over half century. I guess the police should also run around chasing Al Capone's gang!
How do we know they haven't lynched anyone? Their history of terrorism means we diligently monitor their hate and stop them from ever lynching another person.
 

Reynolds

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Tell that to the thousands of people they have lynched over the years.
We are discussing the modern Klan and how they behave in public demonstrations. In private, as far as I am concerned, they are nothing but domestic terrorists.
 

MennoSota

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We are discussing the modern Klan and how they behave in public demonstrations. In private, as far as I am concerned, they are nothing but domestic terrorists.
The modern klan is no different than the klan of the past. They're just weaker because they have not maintained membership.
 

Reynolds

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We didn't have to do anything of the sort in Baghdad. The real world isn't just a game of risk. You gotta worry about others responses to such actions in the real world.
We did not take out Hussein. We stopped short. We later had to go back and do it.
 

Lewis

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How do we know they haven't lynched anyone? Their history of terrorism means we diligently monitor their hate and stop them from ever lynching another person.
Well if the Klan had lynched anyone in the last 50 years the SPLC would have let everyone know about it. Of course that hasn't happened.
 

Reynolds

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The modern klan is no different than the klan of the past. They're just weaker because they have not maintained membership.
The modern Klan is totally different. It is much worse and more dangerous than the Klan of old.
I am not defending the Klan. I am defending their right to demonstrate. I am also trying to tell some of you thick skulled people that the best way to make their demonstrations meaningless is to ignore them. Violent counterdemonstration is the response they are seeking.
 

MennoSota

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The modern Klan is totally different. It is much worse and more dangerous than the Klan of old.
I am not defending the Klan. I am defending their right to demonstrate. I am also trying to tell some of you thick spilled people that the best way to make their demonstrations meaningless is to ignore them. Violent counterdemonstration is the response they are seeking.
Of course they have the legal right to demonstrate. So do the counter demonstrators.
History shows that ignoring hate groups with political motivations is a bad idea.
 

TCassidy

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The mayor of Charlottesville and the governor of Virginia knew for weeks that the KKK march was going to take place. They knew that they and a couple other groups had a permit to march. They should have made every attempt to keep opposing sides apart. Just look at a similar march that took place in Pikeville, Ky just back in April. Police kept them apart, they enforced the no-mask law, and nobody was killed or even roughed up. Some of them may have had weapons but none were used. Everyone had their say and went home.
It is being reported that Police were told to stand down.

Police Stood By As Mayhem Mounted in Charlottesville | HuffPost
 

Reynolds

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Of course they have the legal right to demonstrate. So do the counter demonstrators.
Of course they do. The problem is the demonstrations are always turned violent by the counter demonstrators. The counter demonstrators have a right to demonstrate, but they have no right to attempt to shut down the demonstration. They certainly have no right to use physical violence.
 

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MennoSota

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Of course they do. The problem is the demonstrations are always turned violent by the counter demonstrators. The counter demonstrators have a right to demonstrate, but they have no right to attempt to shut down the demonstration. They certainly have no right to use physical violence.
I haven't seen any video of counter-demonstrators starting the violence. I condemn that if they did. However, like I tell my kids..."Fighting a wrong with a wrong does not make it right."
 
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