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Grieved over today's events in Charlottesville

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Matt Black

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I agree with you, but nobody has been able to find anything inciteful. Belonging to an offensive group and arming yourself are not crimes, as much as some want to make them.
I was referencing Reynolds' experience of incitement being a standard Klan activity. Plus we have this lovely threat from the specific event:
"The heat is nothing compared to what you're going to get in the ovens."
 

TCassidy

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I respectfully disagree. I believe the concept of "precrime" is a perversion of justice. Remember, the term was created by a science fiction writer (Philip K. Dick) in a novel about a dystopian future (short story "The Minority Report") who suffered from life long drug addiction and mental illness.

The idea that we can suspend the Constitutional freedoms of law abiding citizens because "something might happen" is anathema to our liberty. :)
 

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I was referencing Reynolds' experience of incitement being a standard Klan activity. Plus we have this lovely threat from the specific event:
"The heat is nothing compared to what you're going to get in the ovens."
I wasn't agreeing with you. You could not be more wrong.
 

LowOiL

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I haven't seen any video of counter-demonstrators starting the violence. I condemn that if they did. However, like I tell my kids..."Fighting a wrong with a wrong does not make it right."

One of the main things I heard was the counter groups first tried to prevent the main group from reaching the protest location in center of town. As shown in picture one fellow shooting flame has held up quite a lot of people.

We have seen this scenario played out all over the country with Trump rallies. Just getting to a meeting place can be dangerous.
 

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TCassidy

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Why do you feel the need to carry a gun all the time?
I am a former Peace Officer.

That's fear.
No, that is freedom.

Gotta be armed and "protected" just to go to church.
Yes, as a member of the church security team there are a number of us who believe our loved ones and brothers and sisters in Christ are worth protecting. If you don't, then you are free to do as you please.

Yes, your hatred of others and of our liberty, is very sad, in deed. :(
 

MennoSota

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I don't understand Christians wearing fire arms to protect themselves on the incredibly minimal chance that an evil person comes along. If a person is going to die, why not have it be us who are redeemed? We know that we'd be going home and leaving this foreign land. The other person would be in hell.
I tend to side with Jesus commands in the Sermon on the Mount, which is what we observed in Christianity until Augustine came up with the concept of a "just war."
The US Constitution gives every citizen the right to carry weapons, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do for Christians.
I won't tell anyone the can't carry, but I won't personally promote it as biblically sound.
 

TCassidy

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I don't understand Christians wearing fire arms to protect themselves on the incredibly minimal chance that an evil person comes along.
Perhaps we live in different parts of the country?

I tend to side with Jesus
Me too. That is why I carry. Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Sword = common defensive weapon of the time.
Pistol = common defensive weapon of our time. :)

The US Constitution gives every citizen the right to carry weapons, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do for Christians.
No, the Constitution protects the God given right to self-defense. It is Jesus who commands it. And if Jesus commands it, it is the right thing for Christians to do.

I won't tell anyone the can't carry,
Good. And I won't tell anyone to carry. That is a personal decision.

I won't personally promote it as biblically sound.
Jesus is pretty biblically sound. :)
 

carpro

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I hate riots and I condemn white nationalists rallies but I support their right to have a peaceful rally.

In fact I hate all violent rallies whether alt-left, alt-middle or alt-right.

HankD

It appears some people here only hate race driven violence when it comes from white people and are eager to brand BB members who point out racial violence from the left as nazi sympathizers.

Hypocrites.


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carpro

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The mayor of Charlottesville and the governor of Virginia knew for weeks that the KKK march was going to take place. They knew that they and a couple other groups had a permit to march. They should have made every attempt to keep opposing sides apart. Just look at a similar march that took place in Pikeville, Ky just back in April. Police kept them apart, they enforced the no-mask law, and nobody was killed or even roughed up. Some of them may have had weapons but none were used. Everyone had their say and went home.

McAuliffe is a left wing agitator in his own right. He no doubt is delighted by the violence and eager to blame only one group.


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MennoSota

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Perhaps we live in different parts of the country?

Me too. That is why I carry. Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Sword = common defensive weapon of the time.
Pistol = common defensive weapon of our time. :)

No, the Constitution protects the God given right to self-defense. It is Jesus who commands it. And if Jesus commands it, it is the right thing for Christians to do.

Good. And I won't tell anyone to carry. That is a personal decision.

Jesus is pretty biblically sound. :)
The context of Jesus comment to take a sword is very particular to the task Jesus told the disciples to do. We later see Jesus denying Peter the act of fighting for him.
Combine this with the sermon on the Mount and you have a strong argument for non-violent behavior. Now add to this that none of the Apostles and their disciples ever are recorded as fighting to save their lives and we can see a clear pattern in the early church.
What earthly treasure do we possess that is worth killing an unregenerate human to keep? I don't understand that thought process.
 
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