Yes, a lot of people are crying this morning.
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Grieved over today's events in Charlottesville
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No. I am grieved over the abortions that took place yesterday.
Yes. I am. And the Nazi terrorism behind it.
Preservation of my Southern Heritage is not about race.
People have the right to protest peacefully. All accounts seem to indicate that the left turned this event violent.
I have worked security at several public Klan demonstrations. They are some evil people, but they have a right to protest. The counter demonstrators were ALWAYS the source of the problem. '
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Odd I didn't see one person suggest driving a car into a crowd was acceptable (unless it was self defense like being attacked in a crowd).
What I do see is that honoring the right to assemble and protest peacefully is respected. I don't like the KKK but they were not the only group there and they had a permit.
In the 50s some court case decided to right to "peacefully" assemble was guaranteed. Not from the Constitution, but it was a right that superseded the Constitution as a right from God (our Creator). The court case was filed by the NAACP, and they argued that they had a right to not give a list of names to the government of their membership. The NAACP won, and rightfully so.
This right to peacefully assemble was purposely subverted by a corrupt city government that first tried to deny them their permit, but then without question gave leftist groups the right to protest the very same day. Then they failed to protect the protesters from each other. I don't like any leftist groups like the KKK, but dang if I want freedom of assembly to be bypassed due to my not liking them.
Christian white supremacists?
1. Denies creation of man in the image of God.
2. Denies the love of God for people of all nations.
3. Denies the atonement Christ made for people of all nations.
4. Denies that the early church was made up of people of all nations.
5. Denies that the eternal bride of Christ is made up of people of all nations.
6. Disobeys the second commandment.
7. Disobeys the great commission.
8. Disobeys the command to be salt and light in this present world.
9. Disobeys the command to live peaceably with all men.
But you can say a lot of the above also for most the leftist groups that were found at Charolettesville also.
Now how does this right to peacefully assemble apply to you? Well you attend church with fellow Christians don't you? That is a peaceful assembly. I want that right protected and you should too.
Really? I am going to ignore your comment on abortion because it is a blatant obfuscation from the issue at hand. I find it hard to believe that a 20-year-old man purposefully rammed his car into a crowd because of Southern heritage. The man was filled with unbridled rage to the point he was willing to commit murder. There is something rotten in the soul of America. There is something rotten in any person who calls themselves a Christian and excuses or mitigates hate. I happen to disagree with the purging of all things relating to the Confederacy from the public square; and while it may infuriate those who see monuments, statues, and plaques as memorials to their heritage being removed, those things should never be used as a pretext to commit murder.
Amidst all the hate and cultural decay that this nation exhibits, God's people still have a message of hope. God's people have answers. The Apostle Paul had to deal with the same thing with the Jews when their religion and traditions were threatened by the emergence of Christianity. Some of those Jews resorted to violence and murder. Just read the book of Acts. I am not saying what the prevalent culture is doing today is right. In fact, I believe it is wrong. But how are God's people supposed to respond? Are God's people supposed to slam their fist in rage and turn to violence?
p.s. edited to fix typos.
And the media, and both GOPand DNC say Trump didn't address the "white supremists" as being the center of this conflict today.
Well, as I watched the television coverage it seems that I witnessed a few hundred Black Lifes Matter signs carried by white, hispanicand black anti-supremist protesters. And how many times in the past few years have we witnessed BLM protesters setting fire to businesses, rioting, destroying property and carrying off stolen items as they looted the places they vadalised?
Also, both Obama and Hillary had personal relationships with this black supremist group. Obama invited BLM to the WH. Hillary held campaign meetings with BLM standing on the stagewith here.
As of today, TRUMP has not invited the KKK, white nationalists and supremists to the WH for any reason. BUT, still, the alt-left and biased media try as they can to tie Trump to these anarchists.
I also think Obama did a lot of stirring the pot, throughout his time in office.
Yes, America is divided, but thankfully, those at odds with each other REMAIN a small number of anarchists, haters, and wierdos!
Well, as I watched the television coverage it seems that I witnessed a few hundred Black Lifes Matter signs carried by white, hispanicand black anti-supremist protesters. And how many times in the past few years have we witnessed BLM protesters setting fire to businesses, rioting, destroying property and carrying off stolen items as they looted the places they vadalised?
Also, both Obama and Hillary had personal relationships with this black supremist group. Obama invited BLM to the WH. Hillary held campaign meetings with BLM standing on the stagewith here.
As of today, TRUMP has not invited the KKK, white nationalists and supremists to the WH for any reason. BUT, still, the alt-left and biased media try as they can to tie Trump to these anarchists.
I also think Obama did a lot of stirring the pot, throughout his time in office.
Yes, America is divided, but thankfully, those at odds with each other REMAIN a small number of anarchists, haters, and wierdos!
Abortion is not a distraction, it is very important to how I feel. The govrrnment gave its blessing killing 3000 babies yesterday. Statistically, there were 42 other murders in the USA yesterday. Why should I be particularly grieved about this particular murder committed by a nut? I am far more concerned about the innocent babies the left fight bitterly to ensure we continue killing. The proponents of abortion rights, and those who vote for politicians who support it, are the real racists.
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No right thinking Christian supports abortion, but abortion is not the purpose of this thread. I support you 100% if you start a thread on the evils of infanticide. I will participate in that thread.
The gravity of what occurred yesterday in Charlottesville cannot be overstated. It was not about "a nut" who drove his car into a crowd of protestors; it is about a growing narrative of hate in America. And no, I am not a left-leaning Christian that is concerned more about social justice. There are those on the Left who consider Christians to be worse than ISIS. This nation is losing its collective mind. Right has become wrong, and wrong right.
I was listening to national radio program host who visited Auschwitz. He met an elderly woman who helped hide Jews from the Nazis. He praised her for being righteous enough to stand up against the threat of death and to do what was right. Her response to him gave me hope. I am paraphrasing, but she told the radio host that it was not because she possessed some special sort of righteousness. She just decided she was not going to go off the cliff like everyone else. Her decision seems so trite; so insignificant, but there it is. As Christians, we do have a special sort of righteousness, Christ's righteousness (2 Cor. 5:21). We are the light of the world (Mat. 5:14). We do not have to go along with the world's narrative. The message we proclaim is one of hope, forgiveness, healing, restoration, and eternal life. That message is the one that all God's people need to live and proclaim as God gives opportunity.
The real problem is that the left is trying to strip the right of its rights to speech and even to exist. The movement is more at the Fringes now, but as the fringes are trimmed, the new fringes move closer to the middle.Today it's deny the KKK its right to assemble. Tomorrow it will be deny those "haters" in the pulpits their right to preach "hate" against homosexuality and other sin. In our system, protecting the center involves protecting the flanks(the far left and far right).
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Oh man that never used to fly for you when Obama did that stuff. You're copping out so hard right now.
it's funny how this board hates liberals so much that they would choose the side supported by the KKK and Neonazis. The partisan game has people more obsessed than I have it credit for.
I side with the right to peacefully assemble and demonstrate. I don't care if its the Klan or the Panthers. The counter demonstrators sparked the violence. As I said, I have worked several Klan rallies. They always complied fully with the rules of their permit. The counter demonstrators always caused the problems. Smart people would have ignored them.
More defense of the good old rule following KKK. Gosh if people could be more like them.
Gee wiz, people showed up to counter protest the KKK and Nazis. I remember when we fought a relatively large war to rid the world of them.
If there is anybody that needs a counter protesting, it's a nazi. It's nuts I have to make that argument in 2017.
Its nuts to defend free speech and right to assemble in 2017? The KKK demonstrations would be meaningless if counter demonstrators did not show up. That gives them the attention they want. That makes news. The Klan uses legal speech to illicit illegal responses from counter demonstrators. If no counter demonstrators show up, the Klan qquickly goes home. I have seen it happen.
Hey Alt-Left pinko liberals, you lost, get over it - put down your hammer and sickle banner!
HankD (a Yankee born in Boston Massachusetts who carries an American Patriot torch from 1776)
I hate riots and I condemn white nationalists rallies but I support their right to have a peaceful rally.
In fact I hate all violent rallies whether alt-left, alt-middle or alt-right.
HankD
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