Hal Lindsey a False Prophet?

[Athanasian Creed]

Originally posted by Brother James:
He certainly has had a lot of praise for the Pope on his program in times past. That would make him a false prophet in my book...

The vast majority of evangelical leaders have praised the previous Pope and align themselves with Catholics in ministry. Robertson, Robinson, Van Impe, Billy Graham et al. Seems to me we are forgetting that, conservatively, tens of thousands (perhaps millions) of Protestants and other Christians died in defense of Christ's true gospel against Romanism. All of them were of the belief that the RCC was (and is) the "whore of Babylon" of Revelation.

Just a sign of the coming apostasy methinks.


Ray

 

[johnp.]

Gentlemen may I present our leader in the UK.

Revd David Coffey, Moderator of the Free Churches Group and General Secretary of the Baptist Union of Great Britain on the death of Pope John Paul II

'Pope John Paul II endeared himself to Christians far beyond his own communion by his firm courage and intellectual clarity in presenting the moral challenges facing a rapidly changing world.

His unshakable faith in the Gospel and his prayer-filled spirituality, forged under the oppressive regime of Communism, contributed an indomitable quality to his faith and leadership.

His tireless journeying to all parts of the world, not least in these recent years of frail health, demonstrate his lifelong commitment to spend himself sacrificially in Christian service, which is the genuine mark of all true followers of Jesus Christ.

History will surely judge this to be one of the most significant pontificates in centuries.'
http://www.bwanet.org/News/05apr-jun/statementsfrombaptistleaders.htm

methinks you're right.

john.

 

[genesis12]

Now don't yell at me for proof. I only have my recollection. I distinctly recall Hal saying, during one of those "sound bites" between programs on TBN, that he was a prophet. He was younger, weighed a lot less, and was dressed in black. If I knew the exact date I'd contact TBN to "roll that video" for all the world to see. I seem too recall that it was at a time when Paul & Jan Crouch were going to run a cable up to Hal's residence so that he could come "on the air" at any moment, to give a blow-by-blow description of the soon-coming tribulation. Without an exact date it would take forever to isolate that sound bite.

 

[Me4Him]

"Actually", anyone who preaches the Gospel is a "Prophet", are they not "Predicting the future"??

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; (Comforter/Holy Ghost) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

"Jesus is coming back", "Except ye be born again", is that not prophesying the/their "future", "EXCEPT" they be "born again"??

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
"Actually", anyone who preaches the Gospel is a "Prophet", are they not "Predicting the future"??

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; (Comforter/Holy Ghost) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

"Jesus is coming back", "Except ye be born again", is that not prophesying the/their "future", "EXCEPT" they be "born again"??

No, in the technical, theological sense, not all are prophets. Otherwise, "prophets" would not be a separate listing in Eph. 4:11.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by John of Japan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Me4Him:
"Actually", anyone who preaches the Gospel is a "Prophet", are they not "Predicting the future"??

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; (Comforter/Holy Ghost) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

"Jesus is coming back", "Except ye be born again", is that not prophesying the/their "future", "EXCEPT" they be "born again"??

No, in the technical, theological sense, not all are prophets. Otherwise, "prophets" would not be a separate listing in Eph. 4:11. </font>[/QUOTE]In the OT, the "Spirit" ("Word of the Lord") only came to "certain people", Prophets, Kings, Priest, etc,

but in the NT, the "Spirit" (Word of the lord)(Jesus) comes to all who believe.


Ge 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision,

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice,

"IF" you're speaking as the "word of the lord" instructs, you are a "prophet", hence sons/daug/young/old prophesying.

 

[John of Japan]

So then why is "prophet" listed as an office akin to "pastor," "teacher," "evangelist" and "apostle" in Eph. 4:11? Your theory does not explain the data of Eph. 11.

One doesn't have to hold the office of prophet to prophesy in the sense of Acts 2. Just standing on the mound and pitching a ball one time does not make me a pitcher.

 

[genesis12]

Prophet, in one usage, is messenger. I was speaking, in my reference to Hal, of course, in terms of foretelling the future, not merely educated guesses or give-and-take discussion.

In the sense of divine prophetic utterances, foretelling with precision the future, not all are prophets.

 

[atestring]

If Hal Lindsey is a false prophet should he be stoned?

Who would be the first to cast a stone toward him?

Is it legal to stone someone in The U.S.?

If he should be stoned according to the Bible shouldn't a person that truly believes that he is a false prophet be required to obey God rather thatn Man?

if one is put in jail for stoning a false prophet shouldn't he just take that as persecution?

It is amzing that many people go around calling different preachers False Prophets but do nothing about this.

I would be careful about calling one a false prophet unless i was willing to take the persecution for stoning him.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Atestring: There is no witness against him.
At least two witnesses are needed before stoning.

Who will step up to the place and give us a
prophecy Hal Lindsey made. It will be checked, if we
can check it. His books would show a false prophecy,
if he made one.

 

[John of Japan]

Well said, atestring and Ed Edwards.

 

[mima]

Certainly we can say that Hal Lindsey is a false prophet. Now concerning salvation, going by what I've heard come out of his mouth, I am certain that he is saved. Confusing not really we all have trouble being right all the time. What Mr. Lindsey should do is keep his mouth shut about what he doesn't understand because of a human fallacy(I really truly a very smart which is something we all think of ourselves myself included) he just cannot control his tongue.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Who will step up to the place and give us a
prophecy Hal Lindsey made.

He said that there would be ten, and ONLY ten, nations in the EU, in accordance with his interpretation of biblical prophecy. He was very specific about that.

Originally posted by mima:
Certainly we can say that Hal Lindsey is a Confusing not really we all have trouble being right all the time.

I have no trouble being right all the time. It's just that I haven't yet achieved that goal so far.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by John of Japan:
So then why is "prophet" listed as an office akin to "pastor," "teacher," "evangelist" and "apostle" in Eph. 4:11? Your theory does not explain the data of Eph. 11.

One doesn't have to hold the office of prophet to prophesy in the sense of Acts 2. Just standing on the mound and pitching a ball one time does not make me a pitcher.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

There's only one bible and regardless of your "position", all must teach the same thing from the same book, however,

I would agree that some are given a "Greater insight" into future events than others, these would fit your description of "prophet".

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Johnv:
He said that there would be ten, and ONLY ten, nations in the EU, in accordance with his interpretation of biblical prophecy. He was very specific about that.

Re 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Did you know that there are so many nations in the EU that it is hard for them to agree on anything, and that a "Central Committee" of "Ten" has been suggested as the "Supreme Council" to finalize all matters???

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John of Japan:
So then why is "prophet" listed as an office akin to "pastor," "teacher," "evangelist" and "apostle" in Eph. 4:11? Your theory does not explain the data of Eph. 11.

One doesn't have to hold the office of prophet to prophesy in the sense of Acts 2. Just standing on the mound and pitching a ball one time does not make me a pitcher.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

There's only one bible and regardless of your "position", all must teach the same thing from the same book, however,

I would agree that some are given a "Greater insight" into future events than others, these would fit your description of "prophet". </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, no, that doesn't fit my description of a prophet. I hadn't given a specific description of a prophet, so I will do so now. A Biblical prophet is one who receives a message from God and must "forthtell" God's message. Even a cursory reading of the OT prophets reveals that often "foretelling" is involved and often it is not. The main element of a prophet's task is not foretelling the future but forthtelling, giving God's message to the people God intends to have it. Thus, the Japanese Bible translation of "prophet" as "one who has in charge a word" (a Chinese compound word with two characters for this) is correct.

I do not believe that there are prophets nowadays who foretell the future (ala those in the Charismatic movement who give "new revelation"), since the canon is closed. If Hal Lindsey claims to actually prophesy what is going to happen in the future, he is a false prophet. I've never heard anywhere (including this topic) any proof that he regards himself that way or presents himself that way.

All I've ever heard about Hal Lindsey is that he predicts certain things based on Scripture. Sometimes he is wrong, but that doesn't make him a false prophet in the Biblical sense, just a mistaken exegete.

 

[EdSutton]

What makes one so sure that what we today define as 'nations' are what Scripture speaks of as 'nations'? As I undertstand Scripture, 'nation' means 'peoples', and has little, if anything to do with political entities. Read Genesis 11.
As to 'bad exegesis', no one on this 'Board' has ever made a bad exegetical case, I'm sure. I know I seldom make bad exegesis from the pulpit, in fact, almost never. Might be helped by the fact that I'm almost never IN the pulpit, ya' think? I'm a farmer, remember. My late grandpa was the preacher.
Ed

 

[John of Japan]

Originally posted by EdSutton:
What makes one so sure that what we today define as 'nations' are what Scripture speaks of as 'nations'? As I undertstand Scripture, 'nation' means 'peoples', and has little, if anything to do with political entities. Read Genesis 11.
Ed

this is a great point, Ed.

 

[Johnv]

You're missing the point. Lindsey made a specific prediction, and it turned out to be flat-out wrong. If the "council of ten" comes to fruition, it still doesn't make Lindsey's previous claim correct.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Johnv:
You're missing the point. Lindsey made a specific prediction, and it turned out to be flat-out wrong. If the "council of ten" comes to fruition, it still doesn't make Lindsey's previous claim correct.

I read Hal book, but that was many moons ago, I don't remember the "details", but the prophecy of a "Ten Kings" controlling the world is scripture.

Da 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. (Revives Roman Empire)


Da 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; (Antichrist) and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (seven heads, ten horns=authority)

Re 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Re 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

As far as defining "prophet", Jesus taught in "parables" so the world couldn't understand his teaching, only the saved can understand the scripture and "Prohecy" the "FUTURE" as scripture "predict".

Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.