Hate to say I told you so...

[HawgWyld]

OK, so you chose evil. That's it. Some of us didn't go that route.

Nope. You just tossed your vote out of a car window and pragmatism went along with it. But, hey, at least you can act morally superior to those of us who backed a candidate that had a shot at leading the country. Awesome!

 

[carpro]

OK, so you chose evil. That's it. Some of us didn't go that route.

Now Trump is EVIL

You've got it bad.

 

[InTheLight]

Now Trump is EVIL

You've got it bad.

Please pay attention. I was quoting HawgWyld who said he "voted for the lessor of two evils".

Nice Limbaugh job, though.

 

[InTheLight]

Nope. You just tossed your vote out of a car window and pragmatism went along with it. But, hey, at least you can act morally superior to those of us who backed a candidate that had a shot at leading the country. Awesome!

Yes, and if people continue to vote for lousy candidates we'll keep getting.....lousy candidates. At some point people need to say "no more".

 

[HawgWyld]

Yes, and if people continue to vote for lousy candidates we'll keep getting.....lousy candidates. At some point people need to say "no more".

While you have a point, what's the plan to change anything? The Libertarians have been around for over 40 years and are nowhere near being competitive. Newer parties -- Green, Constitution, etc. -- haven't made any serious inroads, either.

I suspect any immediate change will come through the two parties we have and we've gotten a glimpse of how that process might work. Remember -- had it not been for the DNC pushing Clinton regardless of what Democrats thought of her, Bernie Sanders might have gotten the nomination. We did see the Jeb Bush-loving RNC get spiked by Republicans who nominated Trump. And, yes, I do realize a lot of people just detest Trump, but his populist appeal during the campaign is hard to deny.

The point is, one of the days we could well wind up with a populist rabble-rouser who will be more interested in the good of the country than party lines or what donors and lobbyists want. However, it doesn't look like that person will come from one of the ineffective third parties. The chances are good that person will be a Democrat or Republican.

 

[InTheLight]

While you have a point, what's the plan to change anything? The Libertarians have been around for over 40 years and are nowhere near being competitive. Newer parties -- Green, Constitution, etc. -- haven't made any serious inroads, either.

I suspect any immediate change will come through the two parties we have and we've gotten a glimpse of how that process might work. Remember -- had it not been for the DNC pushing Clinton regardless of what Democrats thought of her, Bernie Sanders might have gotten the nomination. We did see the Jeb Bush-loving RNC get spiked by Republicans who nominated Trump. And, yes, I do realize a lot of people just detest Trump, but his populist appeal during the campaign is hard to deny.

The point is, one of the days we could well wind up with a populist rabble-rouser who will be more interested in the good of the country than party lines or what donors and lobbyists want. However, it doesn't look like that person will come from one of the ineffective third parties. The chances are good that person will be a Democrat or Republican.

1. So just keep voting the two major parties no matter who they put out there and eventually maybe we get lucky and get a good candidate.

OR

2. Vote for good candidates no matter what party they are in and eventually the major parties will realize they can't keep running lousy candidates.

I'll take option #2.

 

[HawgWyld]

1. So just keep voting the two major parties no matter who they put out there and eventually maybe we get lucky and get a good candidate.

OR

2. Vote for good candidates no matter what party they are in and eventually the major parties will realize they can't keep running lousy candidates.

I'll take option #2.

So, just hope that one day the Libertarians, Greens or whomever else will magically gather a following? Good luck. Those parties consider themselves to be successful if they get enough votes to justify appearing on ballots. Third parties, after all, divided up something like a whopping 5 percent of the national vote during the 2016 presidential election and that was at a time when two unpopular candidates were running from the major parties.

 

[InTheLight]

So, just hope that one day the Libertarians, Greens or whomever else will magically gather a following? Good luck. Those parties consider themselves to be successful if they get enough votes to justify appearing on ballots. Third parties, after all, divided up something like a whopping 5 percent of the national vote during the 2016 presidential election and that was at a time when two unpopular candidates were running from the major parties.

I'm thinking more like a Ross Perot populist or going back further, George Wallace, someone that can win some states and show it can be done. Had Trump ran as a third party candidate he probably wouldn't have won the presidency but would have won some states, enough to throw a monkey wrench in the two party system. Once you get that going it will keep building.

 

[HawgWyld]

I'm thinking more like a Ross Perot populist or going back further, George Wallace, someone that can win some states and show it can be done. Had Trump ran as a third party candidate he probably wouldn't have won the presidency but would have won some states, enough to throw a monkey wrench in the two party system. Once you get that going it will keep building.

Ross Perot did, indeed, do well. That movement, however, didn't keep building.

Still, I see your point..

 

[TCassidy]

OK, so you chose evil. That's it. Some of us didn't go that route.

So somebody was running that had never sinned? Who would that be?

 

[TCassidy]

I'm thinking more like a Ross Perot populist

Ross Perot, who single handedly gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton, with only 43% of the vote in his first campaign.

No thanks.

 

[InTheLight]

Ross Perot, who single handedly gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton, with only 43% of the vote in his first campaign.

No thanks.

I think Bob "it's my turn to run" Dole being a lousy candidate had something to do with Clinton getting a second term.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am not voting for the lesser of two evils anymore. I will only vote for the best candidate I can support with a clear conscience.

 

[steaver]

That's what I said isn't it? You can attack me for whatever I say. At the end of the day, you voted for Trump and contributed to all this mess that is happening right now.

The only mess happening is ALL democrats and left wing media. Trump has done nothing wrong so far.

 

[HawgWyld]

The only mess happening is ALL democrats and left wing media. Trump has done nothing wrong so far.

He's done nothing wrong so far? Are you serious? Why, he won the presidency when everyone and their dog just knew that Hillary would win because she's way awesome and totally deserved it.

The media hates him for that and they'll print virtually anything to destroy him.

 

[Brent W]

Imagine that! Republicans "falling all over themselves" for conservative candidates. Kasich is a marginal Republican, at best.

Yes, there happens to be some Republican leaning voters out there that do not approve of everything the far right does. It is especially telling how far gone some are on this site when they compare Kasich to Clinton.

who cares

You should if you enjoy Republicans holding office past 2018.

 

[Brent W]

He's done nothing wrong so far? Are you serious? Why, he won the presidency when everyone and their dog just knew that Hillary would win because she's way awesome and totally deserved it.

The media hates him for that and they'll print virtually anything to destroy him.

He won the Presidency with 46% of the vote and an electoral margin in the bottom half of all elections to date. He beat a terrible corrupt Democrat.

The far right is delusional if they think that this goes past 2018. Especially with Trump completely destroying himself with every tweet and action he takes.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Credibility problem with who?

With the nearly two-thirds of voters who disapprove of Trump. The longer this goes, the lower his approval rating will go.

Liberals?

With the people who think that competence and character matters in a politician.

who cares

When Republicans get hammered in the 2018 mid-terms, they will care. Unless something changes, I'm not planning to vote for any of my Republican leadership currently in office. If one or more of them develop a backbone, I'll give them a chance.

 

[Baptist Believer]

The far right is delusional...

I think this is the case.

 

[Revmitchell]

With the nearly two-thirds of voters who disapprove of Trump.

Uh yea right.

With the people who think that competence and character matters in a politician.

I did not vote for the guy. His character was in question long ago based on his actions with women. However, there is nothing currently going on with regards to his character or his competence.

When Republicans get hammered in the 2018 mid-terms, they will care.

Its not going to happen.