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HEALING

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Yeshua1

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So you agree you have faith (assurance) you are saved & Jesus could heal?
Healing not part of the Atonement in that we are promised divine health and wealth, but are promised all spiritual blessings in Christ now!
 

Yeshua1

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So how was Epaphroditus healed?

Without faith in the atonement which also heals, God is not pleased.

Healing or salvation is not the primary issue. Faith in Christ's atonement which pleases God is.
Physical healing not promised to us in the Atonement, except as in glorification at Second Coming event!
 

HankD

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The issue isn't about good things but about assurance of healing in Christ's atonement for every believer.
wrong - healing in Christ's atonement IS a good thing of which i affirm. do your words betray you?

Using paul's thorn to justify being sick is unbiblical.
how can something in the Bible be unbiblical?

again your reasoning is flawed probably because it is the fruit of some mortal man's Systematic Theology.
FWIW you need to base your beliefs on the bible from cover to cover.

Hearken my brother. again i have and will pray for you.
i realize that of which we accuse others will visit us ourselves.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

GOD bless you and fare thee well.
 

Yeshua1

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If salvation is part of the atonement and we are saved now, why not healing which you agree is also part of the atonement?

Secondly, "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life (John 11:25)". If healing is guaranteed in the resurrection and Jesus is the resurrection, why not healing be guaranteed in the now?
Because he has not returned yet!
 

Yeshua1

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The issue isn't about good things but about assurance of healing in Christ's atonement for every believer.

Using paul's thorn to justify being sick is unbiblical.
The Apostles themselves suffered jail, pain, sickness, trials and tribulations, any reason we should not?
 

Yeshua1

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Were you privy to the specifics of the active will of God regarding salvation alone and not regarding healing?

Is "not being privy" another way of saying "Help me my unbelief about healing" according to Mark 9:24?

Paul's thorn was due to exalting himself (2 Corinthians 12:7) rather than exalt Christ's grace through faith. Are you exalting your self efforts, doctors etc for healing?
So Doctors are not given by God for healing, nor medicine? Do we just positive confess until blue in the face and then die?
 

Steven_15

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Healing not part of the Atonement in that we are promised divine health and wealth, but are promised all spiritual blessings in Christ now!

You haven't answered as to whether epaphroditus was healed apart from faith in the atonement?

What does 2 Corinthians 1:20 mean?
 

HankD

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Yes, but ONLY in that sense!
how so Yeshua, Christ has healed me on more than one occasion before the resurrection.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

i prayed, healing came, it wasn't from the devil.

no i am not "charismatic".
 

Steven_15

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So Doctors are not given by God for healing, nor medicine? Do we just positive confess until blue in the face and then die?

Doctors are primarily for those without faith in the atonement.

Doctors treat. They cannot heal. Don't worship doctors.

You'll indeed turn blue if you confess promises without faith in His atonement for healing.
 

Yeshua1

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how so Yeshua, Christ has healed me on more than one occasion before the resurrection.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

i prayed, healing came, it wasn't from the devil.

no i am not "charismatic".
God can and does at times still divinely heal, but that is His choice to do such, as not promised in the Cross, as that was spiritual healing provided for us!
 

Yeshua1

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Doctors are primarily for those without faith in the atonement.

Doctors treat. They cannot heal. Don't worship doctors.

You'll indeed turn blue if you confess promises without faith in His atonement for healing.
Did you learn this from kenneth Copeland, hagin, or Hinn?
 

Yeshua1

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Everything was created by and from God who is Spirit. All materials came from God who is Spirit.
Every blessings are spiritual.
Isaiah and peter both agree that the Cross provides spiritual, not physical healing!
 

Steven_15

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The Apostles themselves suffered jail, pain, sickness, trials and tribulations, any reason we should not?

Luke 21: 36: "Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen".

If you want to suffer do so. But don't unbiblically prevent others who believe in Christ's atonement for escaping sufferings.
 

Yeshua1

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Luke 21: 36: "Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen".

If you want to suffer do so. But don't unbiblically prevent others who believe in Christ's atonement for escaping sufferings.
Luke passage nothing to do with sickness and ilness and believer!
 
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