Hebrews 12:22-23

[Van]

No such inferrence to ignore. It is a popular presumption.
An interpretation of the English translation "are/were not written in the book of life." Revelation 13:8. Revelation 17:8. . . . ου γεγραπται τα ονοματα . . . .

NASB Psalms 69:28, ". . . May they be blotted out of the book of life . . . ."
NASB Exodus 32:33, ". . . will blot him out of My book. . . ."
NASB Revelation 3:5, ". . . He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, . . ."

To infer other names were written in the Lamb's book of life is an inference, not a presumption. To presume names were written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world is a presumption.

 

[Van]

So when are they written in the Lamb's book of life?

From the foundation of the world?
Or at the time the person first believes?

Since the foundation of the world refers to the period between creation and the end of the age. There during that period, when a person is placed in Christ (not first believes) his or her name is written in Lamb's book of life.

 

[InTheLight]

Since the foundation of the world refers to the period between creation and the end of the age. There during that period, when a person is placed in Christ (not first believes) his or her name is written in Lamb's book of life.

So, when do you reckon your name was written in the Lamb's book of Life?

 

[Alan Gross]

John 6:39
"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."

John 17:6
"I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word."

John 18:9
"This was to fulfill the word He had spoken: "I have not lost one of those You have given Me."

John 6:37,39,40
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out…"

John 10:27,28
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" …

Hebrews 2:13
"And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me."

...

Do you also attribute these to God's Word?

#1. THE WORD IN THAT VERSE ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING ELSE;

#2. THAT VERSE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT;

#3. THAT VERSE WAS NOT WRITTEN TO THE PEOPLE YOU ARE CLAIMING;

#4. YOU BELIEVE THIS (insert strawman argument)

#5. YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCTRINES OF GRACE;

#6 IT'S A MYSTERY.

 

[loDebar]

did anyone find a verse where names are entered in the Book?

Did not think so,,,,,,,yet he names are there, some are not blotted out some are blotted out.

 

[InTheLight]

John 6:39
"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."

John 17:6
"I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word."

John 18:9
"This was to fulfill the word He had spoken: "I have not lost one of those You have given Me."

John 6:37,39,40
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out…"

John 10:27,28
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" …

Hebrews 2:13
"And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me."

...

Do you also attribute these to God's Word?

#1. THE WORD IN THAT VERSE ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING ELSE;

#2. THAT VERSE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT;

#3. THAT VERSE WAS NOT WRITTEN TO THE PEOPLE YOU ARE CLAIMING;

#4. YOU BELIEVE THIS (insert strawman argument)

#5. YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCTRINES OF GRACE;

#6 IT'S A MYSTERY.

Once again, I have no idea what you are attempting to communicate.

 

[Reformed1689]

Since the foundation of the world refers to the period between creation and the end of the age. There during that period, when a person is placed in Christ (not first believes) his or her name is written in Lamb's book of life.

No that's not what it refers to. You are reading that into it.

 

[Alan Gross]

Once again, I have no idea what you are attempting to communicate.

That's a 'yes'.

 

[InTheLight]

That's a 'yes'.

What a marvelous world you live in!

 

[37818]

To infer other names were written in the Lamb's book of life is an inference, not a presumption. To presume names were written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world is a presumption.

And a presumption can be logically deduced from other scriptures. Ephesians 1:4; Mark 10:15-14; John 3:3-4; 1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2.

 

[37818]

Since the foundation of the world refers to the period between creation and the end of the age.

I hold the view point, "world" refers to mankind, John 3:16 ; 1 John 5:19. The foundation of mankind being the making of man.

 

[Van]

So, when do you reckon your name was written in the Lamb's book of Life?

Asked and answered, when I was placed in Christ!!!!!

 

[InTheLight]

Asked and answered, when I was placed in Christ!!!!!

You said that happened sometime between the creation of the world and the end of the age. That's not exactly pinning down a date.

So when was it?

 

[Van]

No that's not what it refers to. You are reading that into it.

Yet another taint so deflection. This is all they have.

Since the foundation of the world, refers to since creation including man. Therefore the names written in the Lamb's book of life are written since the creation. This period extends until the end of the age.

Pay no attention to those who claim since the foundation of the world refers to before the foundation of the world.

 

[Van]

You said that happened sometime between the creation of the world and the end of the age. That's not exactly pinning down a date.

So when was it?

More deflection, I said when I was placed in Christ. That pins it down to a specific time during the period.

 

[Van]

I hold the view point, "world" refers to mankind, John 3:16 ; 1 John 5:19. The foundation of mankind being the making of man.

Not at issue, since the foundation of the world, since the foundation of mankind, since creation all refer to since creation and not before creation.

 

[InTheLight]

More deflection, I said when I was placed in Christ. That pins it down to a specific time during the period.

A reasonable person would say you are deflecting here. I've asked a simple question twice and have not received an answer.

When were you placed "in Christ?"

 

[Van]

And a presumption can be logically deduced from other scriptures. Ephesians 1:4; Mark 10:15-14; John 3:3-4; 1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2.

None of those verses (excluding Mark 10:15-14 which seems to be a typo) support the fiction that individual names were written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world. Note. Ephesians 1:4 refers to our corporate election, when God chose His Redeemer, He corporately chose those His Redeemer would redeem.

 

[Van]

A reasonable person would say you are deflecting here. I've asked a simple question twice and have not received an answer.

When were you placed "in Christ?"

Let me copy and paste post #82:

nTheLight said: ↑
So when are they written in the Lamb's book of life?

From the foundation of the world?
Or at the time the person first believes?

Since the foundation of the world refers to the period between creation and the end of the age. Therefore during that period, when a person is placed in Christ (not first believes) his or her name is written in Lamb's book of life.

 

[InTheLight]

Let me copy and paste post #82:


Since the foundation of the world refers to the period between creation and the end of the age. Therefore during that period, when a person is placed in Christ (not first believes) his or her name is written in Lamb's book of life.

When were you placed in Christ? What year was it?