Actually, Jesus didn't say that, as I am about to show.
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Actually, Jesus didn't say that, as I am about to show.
Look at the following passage, Matthew 25:46. This site quotes the verse with many translations. The two translations that are closest to the Greek and thus most accurate are the Weymouth New Testament and Young's Literal Translation, both quoted at the bottom of the list. But the word "punishment" is not completely accurate, either. Scroll on down and read the various commentaries there. The "punishment" is actually corrective in nature, not vengeful or retributive. Therefore, the most literal translation I have ever come across, from Rotherham's Emphasized Bible, renders this part of the verse as "age-abiding correction".
So, Jesus did not teach eternal hell or punishment. He taught "aionios" correction. This is the literal meaning of His teaching, the literal meaning of the scriptures on this subject. Like any parent, God Who is more loving, merciful, and just than any human parent, does not punish out of vengeance or retribution but for correction. And that correction is not of eternal duration but is age-long in duration. And an age is not an eternity.
That is the teaching of Jesus in the scriptures -- His literal, actual teaching. Now if I get banned for pointing out a literal scriptural teaching, then this place is not what I thought it was -- Baptist.
So, Jesus did not teach eternal hell or punishment. He taught "aionios" correction. This is the literal meaning of His teaching, the literal meaning of the scriptures on this subject. Like any parent, God Who is more loving, merciful, and just than any human parent, does not punish out of vengeance or retribution but for correction. And that correction is not of eternal duration but is age-long in duration. And an age is not an eternity.
That is the teaching of Jesus in the scriptures -- His literal, actual teaching. Now if I get banned for pointing out a literal scriptural teaching, then this place is not what I thought it was -- Baptist.
You take one word, out of context find the translation that you most like personally and twist the entire thing to fit your presupposition. That is called eisegesis and you have a big habit of doing that. This post is sophomoric at best. Until you place hell in the correct context throughout scripture you have failed to "back it up."
So you say that hell is kind of a purgatory where one is "corrected" and then what? Can you show me in Scripture where we read that those who have been "corrected" by hell can now get to heaven? Because I can show you clearly where Jesus Himself said that the gulf between the two are too wide to ever cross.
BobRyan
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In the dark ages the "solution" catholics used against protestants was to call them a heretic.
BobRyan
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Good point. In the bible hell is not a "correction facility" it is punishment due for sin
Even so - I don't think the Luke 16 parable gets us to much of a definition of hell.
BobRyan
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God is ABLE to save to the uttermost
Heb 7:25
25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Scripture never uses the phrase "God is able to ..." to mean "God will never do it... even though able"
Every Baptist I know understands the eternality of Hell, and none them think that they are creating their own Heaven or Hell on earth. You are coloring outside the lines of orthodoxy, which you already know, yet do not repent.
No. Anyone who tries to equate this life with the glory of heaven or the horror of hell understands neither.
And yet, you still haven't shown even one verse to back up your idiotic claim.
" Like any parent, God Who is more loving, merciful, and just than any human parent, does not punish out of vengeance or retribution but for correction."
This is good, Very true.
So has God taken away my free will to eternally reject him? Will all accept by force?
I'm not a penal substitution kinda guy, but in case you are, you can't be right? cause there is no correcting to be done on Jesus. I'm curious how you worked out the atonement.
Rev; 14:10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
When Jesus returns: Rev. 19: 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
What will happen a thousand years later:
Rev. 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
So we see the beast & FP are still there a thousand years later.
There's plenty of SCRIPTURAL proof for the eternal nature of hell.(Not gonna go into discussing the false RCC concept of purgatory, etc. here.)
When Jesus returns: Rev. 19: 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
What will happen a thousand years later:
Rev. 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
So we see the beast & FP are still there a thousand years later.
There's plenty of SCRIPTURAL proof for the eternal nature of hell.(Not gonna go into discussing the false RCC concept of purgatory, etc. here.)
BobRyan
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Indeed both the Angels and the Lamb are stuck there at the brink of hell for the entire duration of it. No question.
Thus how nice that we also have this
"28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt 10:28.
Rebel,
There is a Primitive Baptist body called "no-hellers" of Appalachia.
I wish with all my heart I could bring myself to believe their doctrine concerning hell.
Project MUSE - <i>In the Hands of A Happy God: The "No-Hellers" of Central Appalachia</i> by Howard Dorgan (review)
Google "no-hellers" for more information.
HankD
There is a Primitive Baptist body called "no-hellers" of Appalachia.
I wish with all my heart I could bring myself to believe their doctrine concerning hell.
Project MUSE - <i>In the Hands of A Happy God: The "No-Hellers" of Central Appalachia</i> by Howard Dorgan (review)
Google "no-hellers" for more information.
HankD
It would be funny if they were called "No-Hollers".
LOL. In order to lay the foundation for my premise, let's first deny the first principles of Scripture, that God prepared Hell for the Devil and his angels, and the Christ prepares a place for us.
Do I see banishment on the horizon?
If there is an eternal heaven there is an eternal hell and the Bible teaches both... So Rebel1 where do the Devil and his angels go if not the eternal lake of fire?... Club Med?... Brother Glen
Though I agree with the truth contained within your post, I disagree that Rebel1 should be banned for this.