Hell

[Rebel1]

And yet, you still haven't shown even one verse to back up your idiotic claim.

You obviously have not read my posts. Looks like I'm the only one here who believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.

 

[Rebel1]

" Like any parent, God Who is more loving, merciful, and just than any human parent, does not punish out of vengeance or retribution but for correction."

This is good, Very true.


So has God taken away my free will to eternally reject him? Will all accept by force?

I'm not a penal substitution kinda guy, but in case you are, you can't be right? cause there is no correcting to be done on Jesus. I'm curious how you worked out the atonement.

Certainly not. That's why hell could be forever for some. That fits in with the definition of an age as a long, indefinite period of time.

I don't hold to PSA. It's abhorrent and a gross mischaracterization of God's character. I hold to Christus Victor, the doctrine of the early church.

 

[Rebel1]

Rev; 14:10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

When Jesus returns: Rev. 19: 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

What will happen a thousand years later:

Rev. 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

So we see the beast & FP are still there a thousand years later.

There's plenty of SCRIPTURAL proof for the eternal nature of hell.(Not gonna go into discussing the false RCC concept of purgatory, etc. here.)

There is none. Because every time you see the word "eternal" associated with hell, that is not what it means in the original. The literal meaning is age-abiding, age-during, lasting for an age. And an age is not an eternity

 

[thatbrian]

Ever heard of Primitive Baptist Universalists -- the "no-hellers? I'm not that, btw.

I've never heard of left-handed, semi-Pelagian, supralapsarian, Baptist monks, but my point still stands.

 

[Rebel1]

LOL. In order to lay the foundation for my premise, let's first deny the first principles of Scripture, that God prepared Hell for the Devil and his angels, and the Christ prepares a place for us.

Do I see banishment on the horizon?

I wondered how long it would take for that to mentioned.

I am arguing for the literal and original meaning of scripture on this subject. If I have to be banned for that, so be it.

 

[Rebel1]

If there is an eternal heaven there is an eternal hell and the Bible teaches both... So Rebel1 where do the Devil and his angels go if not the eternal lake of fire?... Club Med?... Brother Glen

They go there, to the age-abiding lake of fire.

 

[Rebel1]

Though I agree with the truth contained within your post, I disagree that Rebel1 should be banned for this.

Thank you. We are far apart on some things, but I have always thought you had a Christlike spirit.

 

[Rebel1]

I guess after catching up on this thread, I'd better head on over to the "Marks of the early church" thread and catch up there. But I think I'll wait till tomorrow. I really don't like conflict, but I do like discussion, and some things are worth standing up for.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If there is an eternal heaven there is an eternal hell and the Bible teaches both... So Rebel1 where do the Devil and his angels go if not the eternal lake of fire?... Club Med?... Brother Glen

Club Med

Maybe they inhabit the earth...William Shakespeare seemed to think so and honestly, I’m thinking so also.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I guess after catching up on this thread, I'd better head on over to the "Marks of the early church" thread and catch up there. But I think I'll wait till tomorrow. I really don't like conflict, but I do like discussion, and some things are worth standing up for.

Conflict helps you grow my friend

 

[annsni]

What did Jesus do when he descended to hell after his crucifixion? Why did he do it?

OK - I see a problem here. Jesus did not descend to hell (the place of torment) after His crucifixion.

 

[annsni]

You obviously have not read my posts. Looks like I'm the only one here who believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.

Actually, you don't. You explain away the clear instruction and teaching of Scripture regarding hell.

 

[annsni]

There is none. Because every time you see the word "eternal" associated with hell, that is not what it means in the original. The literal meaning is age-abiding, age-during, lasting for an age. And an age is not an eternity

Can you show support for this assertion?

 

[Aaron]

So, you don't think that what we believe and do here is what determines our condition in the afterlife?

Quite the contrary, our condition is made manifest here. What we do is merely the fruit of our nature.

 

[Aaron]

I wondered how long it would take for that to mentioned.

I am arguing for the literal and original meaning of scripture on this subject. If I have to be banned for that, so be it.

K.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You obviously have not read my posts. Looks like I'm the only one here who believes in the literal interpretation of scripture.

Actually, I've read them all. That's how I know you're lying when you say you've provided verses that say there's no Hell.

 

[kyredneck]

OK - I see a problem here. Jesus did not descend to hell (the place of torment) after His crucifixion.

Probably a reference to:

18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
19 in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, 1 Pet 3

 

[kyredneck]

Would you not agree that we are already making our own hell or heaven based on what we do here?

'Metaphorically', yes:

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap eternal life. Gal 6

 

[Revmitchell]

The question is, what did the words translated "eternal" mean literally and in the original. They did not mean eternal. It is not I who is changing scripture.

You are changing scripture. You think because you can take a word out of any context, define it without context, you then work to place it within your presuppositional context afterwards and set doctrine based on what you want. You do violence to scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Bible does not teach an eternal hell. This is provable. I'll wait for responses before posting evidence.

Unless you have greater insight than the Son of God, I will trust His view over yours regarding Hell!