Hell

[Adonia]

I have heard nothing good about hell, so I would not want to go there. To be separated for all eternity from God the Creator of all things does not sound like a good thing at all.

 

[HankD]

I have heard nothing good about hell, so I would not want to go there. To be separated for all eternity from God the Creator of all things does not sound like a good thing at all.

I agree.

HankD

 

[JWayne]

"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).1

Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.

• "And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).
• "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).
• These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13)

 

[Aaron]

Though I agree with the truth contained within your post, I disagree that Rebel1 should be banned for this.

I'm not plugging for his banishment. Jussayin' that saying we make our own hell or heaven is pretty close to a denial of the faith.

 

[kyredneck]

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Good point. In the bible hell is not a "correction facility" it is punishment due for sin

Even so - I don't think the Luke 16 parable gets us to much of a definition of hell.

Luke 16 is not a parable. There is zero time textual reason to say that it is a parable, for example, when Jesus used parables he often used the phrase “like unto” or “as” and he often would give an interpretation of the parable, furthermore Jesus named Lazarus in Luke 16, There isn’t a single other place where Jesus named a person and used them in a parable. The only reason you choose to treat Luke 16 as a parable is because it refutes your false doctrine of soul sleep. Repent of your false 7th Day Adventist doctrines.

 

[Rebel1]

"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).1

Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.

• "And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).
• "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).
• These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13)

Again, the original does not mean or say "eternal" or "forever" but "age-abiding". An eon is not an eternity.

 

[Rebel1]

I'm not plugging for his banishment. Jussayin' that saying we make our own hell or heaven is pretty close to a denial of the faith.

So, you don't think that what we believe and do here is what determines our condition in the afterlife?

 

[thatbrian]

So, you don't think that what we believe and do here is what determines our condition in the afterlife?

That's not what you said in post #7 Hell

"Would you not agree that we are already making our own hell or heaven based on what we do here?"

 

[Rebel1]

There is nothing you or I could do here - cure cancer, live a life of peace and love and joy, give money to the poor, read the Bible 4 hours everyday, or help the homeless, bereaved, or abused - that could make our lives here on this earth our own personal heaven. The idea that WE could make heaven what it is shocking to me that one would profess that.

The Bible says that no one knows what God has in store for those who love him. GOD will make the new heaven and the new earth what it will be and no one alive today could imagine it.

There is nothing you or I could do here - abort babies, sell drugs, abuse others, rob every bank in town, or deceive people out of their life's savings - that could make this place our own personal hell. We do not make hell, hell. God has prepared hell for the devil and his angels. Jesus said that humans will perish there, too.

No one alive today - even those who suffer more than we could understand - knows now the true sufferings of what hell will be for the lost.

God is in control of it all - both heaven and hell. Not us.

Our beliefs and actions determine our condition in the afterlife, and that condition begins here. That's what I meant.

 

[Rebel1]

That's not what you said in post #7 Hell

"Would you not agree that we are already making our own hell or heaven based on what we do here?"

Yes, I corrected my post to reflect what I meant.

 

[thatbrian]

Yes, I corrected my post to reflect what I meant.

Some of us know what you meant.

 

[Rebel1]

You can be a saint and still have health problems, cancer, cerebral palsy, suffer from loss of work, a disability, starvation, homeless etc . The list is endless and it includes being robbed, raped, taken advantage of. For every good and charitable man there is a thousand or more who would steal your hearts blood if they could sell it for a profit and ten thousand who would sell your coat too for some money. Largely it’s a world of eat or be eaten, your money or your life. Thieves and liars, murderers & grifters. All men are more or less Judas, I repeat, more or less. So if this place isn’t hell then it certainly is it’s vestibule.

Yes, I agree.

 

[Rebel1]

Some of us know what you meant.

And some apparently do not. I replied also to Scarlet, and EWF, relating to this.

 

[Rebel1]

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I do not know of any Baptist group that denies Hell or the Lake of Fire

I don't deny hell. The duration of it is what is in question.

 

[Rebel1]

You take one word, out of context find the translation that you most like personally and twist the entire thing to fit your presupposition. That is called eisegesis and you have a big habit of doing that. This post is sophomoric at best. Until you place hell in the correct context throughout scripture you have failed to "back it up."

The question is, what did the words translated "eternal" mean literally and in the original. They did not mean eternal. It is not I who is changing scripture.

 

[Rebel1]

So you say that hell is kind of a purgatory where one is "corrected" and then what? Can you show me in Scripture where we read that those who have been "corrected" by hell can now get to heaven? Because I can show you clearly where Jesus Himself said that the gulf between the two are too wide to ever cross.

What did Jesus do when he descended to hell after his crucifixion? Why did he do it?

 

[Rebel1]

In the dark ages the "solution" catholics used against protestants was to call them a heretic.

Yes, indeed. And some non-Catholics are good at carrying on the tradition.

 

[Rebel1]

That gave me a good laugh. Thanks.

I've learned not to challenge you. You win.

Always glad to contribute to the merriment of one's soul.

 

[Rebel1]

Every Baptist I know understands the eternality of Hell, and none them think that they are creating their own Heaven or Hell on earth. You are coloring outside the lines of orthodoxy, which you already know, yet do not repent.

Ever heard of Primitive Baptist Universalists -- the "no-hellers? I'm not that, btw.